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Bob Kane and his ghost artists
BobS:
--- Quote from: darkmark on August 20, 2010, 08:47:06 AM ---It's like this. Lens=power ring. Lensmen=Green Lantern Corps. Arisians=Guardians of the Universe. Eddorians=Qwardians. One of the best novels for comparison, and my fave, is CHILDREN OF THE LENS. I doubt DC will ever acknowledge this, any more than we'll hear Disney admit how much of THE LION KING was swiped from SIMBA, THE WHITE LION. My 2 cents plain.
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Merry Marvel Marching Society swiped from Mary Marvel Marching Society.
Aquaman swiped from Submariner.
Mr. Fantastic swiped from Plastic-Man.
Hawkeye swiped from Green Arrow.
Invisible Girl swiped from Invisible Scarlet O'Neil.
and on and on
BobS:
author=Bob Hughes link=topic=2087.msg23088#msg23088 date=1282335033]
> As far as Green Lantern and the Lensmen go, the only person who would have known was John Broome and he's no longer with us. Once again you'd have to check publication dates.
1st Lensman - 1934.
> The Batman/Bat coincidence is certainly no bigger than the X-Men/Doom Patrol coincidence.
Coincidences. I think not.
Doom Patrol isn't teenagers but is an attempt at Marvel-style characterizations etc.
>And since the Batman came out first, the other guys really have no case. But obviously in both cases pages could have been lying about, people could have shown samples to other folks. Loose lips sink ships, etc. Vince Colletta got in trouble for showing Kirby New Gods pages around the Marvel offices before they were printed. I'm sure that wasn't a totally unique event.
1st Black Bat - 1934 (Batman -1939)
Written by homeboy (that is fellow Virginian) Murray Leinster
Leinster wasn't fake Jewish penname for Will F. Jenkins
2nd Black Bat - July 1939, 2 months after Detective Comics #27
Bob
Public Enemy #1
BobS:
quote author=Roygbiv666 link=topic=2087.msg23139#msg23139 date=1282521459]
As far as the GL Corps and Lensman, the "high concept" for both is "space cops", isn't it? Corps = police force, Guardians = bureaucrats, power ring = gun. Not exactly that complicated.
Green Lantern's ring = Lensman lens, not gun.
Green Lantern Corps = Lensmen Gallactic Patrol.
Darkmark stated the other likenesses well enough.
Silver Age Green Lantern is DEFINITELY 'inspired by' Doc Smith's Lensmen.
From http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_Patrol#Origins_and_X-Men
--- Quote ---According to Comic Coverage: Which Came First: The Mutant or The Freak?, creator Arnold Drake felt:
"...I’ve become more and more convinced that (Stan Lee) knowingly stole The X-Men from The Doom Patrol. Over the years I learned that an awful lot of writers and artists were working surreptitiously between (Marvel and DC). Therefore from when I first brought the idea into (DC editor) Murray Boltinoff’s office, it would’ve been easy for someone to walk over and hear that (I was) working on a story about a bunch of reluctant superheroes who are led by a man in a wheelchair. So over the years I began to feel that Stan had more lead time than I realized. He may well have had four, five or even six months."
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Doom Patrol rocks!
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Teenage Mutants are derived from Wyndham's Midwich Cuckoos / Children of the Damned, and probably much earlier science fiction mutants.
I doubt that Stan Lee created X-Men. Rather Jack Kirby likely created X-Men.
Bob
Public Enemy #1
Bob Hughes:
One story I heard was that Robert Bernstein and Jack Kirby used to ride into New York together. Bernstein would pump Kirby for plots. Also according to the recent Kashdan interview in Alter Ego Bernstein had a big mouth.
Not that I think there's all that much unique about either the Doom Patrol or the X-Men. I could see Bernstein trying to get a new series out of Lee by swiping the Doom Patrol though.
darkmark (RIP):
--- Quote from: BobS on August 23, 2010, 02:08:14 PM ---Merry Marvel Marching Society swiped from Mary Marvel Marching Society.
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The only bit I've seen on a "Mary Marvel Marching Society" was in a Captain Marvel article Larry Ivie did for MONSTERS AND HEROES. The art on the "ad" looks more like Ivie than old Fawcett and the coupon, conveniently, is torn out. I've read almost all of the Fawcett superhero comics and have not once come upon an ad for a "Mary Marvel Marching Society". There was a Mary Marvel Club, but that's not the same name. Unless I see some substantiation from another and more reliable source, my guess is that Larry Ivie created that "ad" HIMSELF, to try and embarrass Marvel. There isn't enough real evidence that such a club existed.
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