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Bob Kane and his ghost artists
JVJ (RIP):
--- Quote from: BobS on August 23, 2010, 01:32:37 PM ---
Shelly's Hawkman art was really primitive (IMO), and much of the faces etc. were copied from Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon. Many of the early GA artists copied from Raymond.
Frank Frollo in early Centaur comics copied Raymond too. Many other GA artists copied/emulated Milt Caniff. (Back in the 1960s Dan Atkins copied Russ Manning.)
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Not to beat a very dead horse, Bob,
but Dan Adkins TRACED Russ Manning. I would have preferred it if he copied Russ, but his Dr. Strange is sometimes line for line Manning Tarzan with DS costume added. I got hell back in MCR #3 (or something like that) for criticizing him for it. People like Mike Kaluta and Jeffrey Jones (if I remember correctly) said it was just fine that Dan "used scrap" - wh ich I agree with. I just don't happen to agree with tracing, which EVERYONE denied that Adkins did, though it's really tough to deny the evidence of one's eyes.
As I said - dead horse and all. I agree that many, many early comic artists aped Raymond and Caniff through the early 50s. By then, the "comic book style" had replaced the "comic strip style" and artists were aping Jack Kirby, Lou Fine, Will Eisner, Wally Wood, etc. instead of the newspaper icons. Funny how CBs developed their own niche.
ps. I, too, have always thought that Shelly was highly overrated. It seems like a LOT of DC GA superhero artists have an undeserved (IMHO) reputation. I think Toth (for whom you will NOT find a more fervent admirer than myself) did terrible work on his DC Flash All-American stories. And Nodell's Green Lantern is, again IMHO, very crude and unappealing. It seems to be the characters who are being revered and the artists get to come along for the adulation - not that I'm a big fan of the DC characters (or ANY comic book character for that matter - HERESY, I know. Sorry.)
Peace, Jim (|:{>
kusunoki:
--- Quote from: JVJ on August 23, 2010, 10:14:57 PM ---ps. I, too, have always thought that Shelly was highly overrated. It seems like a LOT of DC GA superhero artists have an undeserved (IMHO) reputation. I think Toth (for whom you will NOT find a more fervent admirer than myself) did terrible work on his DC Flash All-American stories. And Nodell's Green Lantern is, again IMHO, very crude and unappealing. It seems to be the characters who are being revered and the artists get to come along for the adulation - not that I'm a big fan of the DC characters (or ANY comic book character for that matter - HERESY, I know. Sorry.)
Peace, Jim (|:{>
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I agree fully about the early DC artists. When I finally got the opportunity to read some of the DC stories from the 40s, I couldn't believe how crude so much of the art was (especially in comparison with the great stuff that was appearing in books from companies like Quality and Fiction House at the same time). I guess my expectations had been colored by the reverence for the material that Roy Thomas showed All-Star Squadron, which was one of my favorites as a kid; but the disappointment when I saw the hack jobs that featured the Atom, Dr. Fate, and Star-Spangled Kid was intense. There are a couple of artists who worked for DC at the time that I find interesting (Bernard Baily, Creig Flessel, Jack Burnley), but there is so much terrible art that it can be really hard to work one's way all the way through the giant anthology issues of the time.
I suppose I should add that this is just my opinion; but really, is there anyone who would actually defend this work?
Yoc:
Interesting coincidence here -
I happened to save some Mary Marvel Club scans from the Pop Culture site IIRC.
Here you go!
(CLICK on THUMBNAIL to see full size images)
http://a.imageshack.us/img832/808/194546marymarvel00envel.th.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img52/1221/194546marymarvel01fancl.th.jpg http://a.imageshack.us/img844/8336/194546marymarvel02badge.th.jpg
JVJ (RIP):
So why is this sorting under the Bob Kane and His Ghost Artists thread, Yoc?
???
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Geo (RIP):
We are all to tried tonight I think Jim, that's why.
Geo
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