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Offline Count Otto Black

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Webcomic In Progress
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:34:03 PM »
Greetings! Almost two years ago, I mentioned on this board that I was developing a webcomic using Golden Age public domain artwork. As it happened, real life intervened and I never got very far with it. Which didn't matter in the slightest because it was just a bit of fun. However, now that I have a bit more time to devote to such trivial pursuits, I've revisited the idea, and I'm making considerable progress. I won't give you a link because there isn't one yet; I think it best to complete a sizable portion of the story before I start posting it so that, in the happy event that enough people like it for the weekly deadline to matter, I will never, ever feel rushed to the point that it's not fun any more.

Incidentally, if your memories are long but not quite perfect, I'm not that "American Rabbit" guy - I don't think he was having any fun at all. I certainly have no intention whatsoever of spending 40 hours a week producing a webcomic, because that's just insane! Though in the extraordinarily unlikely event that it somehow pays better than having an actual job, I might reconsider my position on that. But since that almost never happens unless your webcomic's a D&D rip-off concerning the angst-ridden adventures of a bunch of wet blankets who appear to have rubber gloves on their heads, it's no fun at all, and it's called Goblins, I might as well forget about it.

Anyway, here's what I wanted to ask. Since I'm using the collage method, my storyline is of necessity a wee bit random - in this I am indebted to Max Ernst, my favorite Surrealist and the uncredited inventor of the graphic novel (he created the first 3 - look him up on wikipedia if you don't believe me). However, certain sequences, notably the prologue, require me to find specific imagery. In particular, Hitler.

The Grand Comics Database is unfortunately no help here. Yes, it directs me to numerous comics from the appropriate era. The trouble is, this list, which was apparently compiled by someone with OCD, grants Adolf "character" status in any war-story in which he is mentioned and therefore appears in one panel to illustrate the narration. Obviously, the number of 40s and 50s comics in which Adolf Hitler is shown in one panel is immense. Could you help me avoid wading through an absurd number of irrelevant war comics by suggesting some issues to be found on this site in which Der Führer is actually a significant character in the story?

In case anyone's worried, my comic is in no way pro-Hitler. The backstory is that in 1945 the Nazis, in a last desperate bid to win WW2, hit the Allies with some sort of nuclear weapon they'd built in a terrible hurry. I was inspired by a true story about I forget which scientist on the Manhattan Project. This guy figured out that letting off a nuclear weapon in Earth's atmosphere might just possibly start a chain-reaction resulting in all the nitrogen fusing together, and begged his superiors not to test that first A-bomb in New Mexico just in case he was right. However, beating Japan quickly was more important than the remote possibility of incinerating the entire planet by mistake, so they let it off anyway. Fortunately he was wrong.

I am taking this very serious premise to its illogical extreme. The Nazis trigger an ill-advised explosion of such magnitude that it breaks reality, meaning that everybody now lives in a Golden Age comic-book. They're fully aware of this and not too happy, but they're stuck with it. Some adapt better than others. And since there's no author, it's a very fractured and random Golden Age comic-book. I am of course being very silly indeed. But, going by Golden Age rules, Hitler must be a significant supporting character. As the archetypal Supervillain, there's absolutely no way he can ever be permanently got rid of. However, he's constantly frustrated by the equally unavoidable fact that he's forced to attempt to conquer the world in ridiculous ways involving giant robots and gorillas and such when he knows conventional weapons would be far more likely to succeed.

Therefore I'm looking for comics in which Hitler appears for long enough to interact for a page or two with my other characters, and is of course in an almost permanent state of frustrated rage. If he gets killed in a really nasty way, so much the better; I'd like to make it a running gag that Adolf constantly returns from the dead for no apparent reason complaining about how much his last death hurt. I have no political ax to grind whatsoever (unlike that "American Rabbit" guy), so the use of Hitler as a character is just black humor in arguably poor taste. However, I will be portraying him as an immortal monster who never really gets to be the slightest bit monstrous because the new rules render him ridiculous, and he knows it, and that's his own private Hell.

So there you go. Volume 1 is well advanced, and I want to complete it, or nearly so, before posting anything online, for the aforementioned reason. But because the opening section has to be more logical than the rest, it's particularly hard to piece together. I need plenty of pictures suggesting that Hitler might be having a tantrum because firstly, his superweapon backfired disastrously, and secondly, he can't take advantage of the resultant chaos. So basically I want plenty of comics in which Hitler rants and raves and orders his generals to do Very Bad Things, and then gets punched in the face and thrown in a volcano. All suggestions will be appreciated, even if they aren't used.

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Webcomic In Progress
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Offline crashryan

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Re: Webcomic In Progress
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 09:38:56 PM »
A great source would be "Daredevil battles Hitler," the first issue of Lev Gleason's "Daredevil" comic. Ridiculous Hitler featured in almost every story.

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Re: Webcomic In Progress
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 07:19:43 AM »
There's a fair amount of Hitler in this archive:

http://digitalcomicmuseum.com/index.php?dlid=17750

I'd also check GCD for appearances by Cpt. Nazi as Hitler seems to have appeared in a number of his stories. These stories, with a lot of Mac Raboy art, might be a bit too serious for your needs, tho.

See also two issues of Charlton's Space Western. (not kidding) Starting with the cover featured story "The Madman of Mars" and the following issue's wrap up story.

Hitler also appears in a few Skyman stories in Columbia's Big Shot starting about issue #69. This is a fairly goofy Hitler.

The ghost of Hitler appears in the Captain Marvel Jr. story in Master Comics #73

http://digitalcomicmuseum.com/index.php?dlid=23944

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Offline Count Otto Black

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Re: Webcomic In Progress
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2015, 02:08:25 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions. Hitler is problematic for an odd reason: although in reality he looked rather ordinary, many artists felt obliged to portray him as monstrously ugly. I would have thought that simply being called Adolf Hitler would clue in even the stupidest reader that he's not a good guy, but apparently not! So artwork showing him is wildly inconsistent, and harder to match with other artwork than generic drawings of handsome men, even if they aren't supposed to be the same guy. Though I can always use grotesquely caricatured Hitlers as failed clones or robots who think they're Hitler, but don't get anywhere with that because everyone can see how unrealistically they're drawn so they're not taken seriously.

I was having particular trouble with the opening part of my story, since it has to be far more specific than most of the tale in order to set up the plot, and since WW2 comics are not a favorite of mine because unless the characters are exceptionally weird, the stories tend to be a bit predictable, I wasn't looking forward to reading endless war comics in which Hitler turned out to have a walk-on part just to find enough images of him, so these pointers have been very helpful. I might even be able to put together a splash panel in which multiple versions of Hitler get into a fight over which if any of them's actually the beloved Führer.

Serious stories are actually better for my purposes than very silly ones, since the artwork is likely to be less exaggerated and therefore easier to match up with everything else. And if a story features a well-drawn character in a not terribly interesting setting, I can always cut him out and paste him into wherever I like - isn't digital technology wonderful?

Since I've found lots of material on this site, I will of course thank you by making sure to provide links to both the webcomic when it officially goes online, and a pdf of the first part in the form of an actual comic. Incidentally, is there any way to upload images from my desktop? It will sometimes be helpful to me to ask if anyone knows of another story featuring a person who resembles a character I'd like to use more extensively, and unless they're as famous as Hitler, I'll need to show you a picture of them.

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Re: Webcomic In Progress
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2015, 02:45:34 PM »
Hi B,
Yes, when you click REPLY here below the box you type in on the left is 'Additional Options'.
One of them is 'ATTACH' where you can add your example to your reply.
BUT please only attach a single panel if possible.  No need for an entire page.  And just mention which book you found it.

The other option would be if your example is a book on DCM to open said book in a PREVIEW window instead of downloading.  Then find the page and copy the URL to that page.  Then you can share the link here in a reply and just say which panel it is or describe it.  Either works.

Good luck with the project!
-Yoc

PS, having several radically different Hitler clones sounds just fine to my ear.  It's a comic, we're used to suspending our belief.  And a touch of humour in a dramatic story never hurts either IMHO.

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Re: Webcomic In Progress
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2015, 08:19:00 PM »
Thanks, Yoc! If I may say so, it's a wee bit confusing that the "insert image" button at the top left doesn't actually allow me to do so, and I have to use another button at the bottom left which doesn't mention images. Anyway, here's a picture just to see if it works. I hope I won't break any rules by not telling you where it's from because I found this story some time ago on another Golden Age website, I forget the name of the comic, and I've already trimmed out all the stuff I want and discarded the rest.

As you can see (assuming the upload works), this is a very pretty but not terribly happy girl with a distinctive c. 1950 pixie hairstyle. Since this image is taken from a horror story, she only appears in a few pages and dies at the end. I want to use her as a character just because she's cute and has a wide range of well-drawn facial expressions, but obviously she's not going to be in very much of the story if I can only use this one comic. However, somebody else with a similar hairstyle (including blondes, because changing yellow hair to red is extremely easy - black to red's a bit more time-consuming) might be her, and if it's a different genre, I'll probably get pictures of her looking much happier. She could be anything from a very minor character to the female lead - it's all down to the luck of the draw! So, any suggestions for stories featuring somebody a lot like this, ideally with red or yellow hair? Genre is unimportant because I'll probably cut and paste her into an unlikely setting. Clothes don't matter at all, because I can easily change any color except black, or stick her head on another body that's roughly the right shape.

And so on. I won't be using superheroes much because I'll have to change everything about them that might possibly qualify as a trademark, so when I do, they'll be woefully ineffective superheroes who took the job just because it was suddenly a viable career option, and having taken it up, they can't seem to quit (looking at you, Inferior Five!). And I will definitely go with the running gag that there are multiple Hitlers drawn in wildly inconsistent styles who get into fights with each other over who's the real Adolf. But I did need some matching Hitlers for that opening chapter in which they're definitely the same person.

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Re: Webcomic In Progress
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2015, 08:46:41 AM »
Hi COB,
The INSERT IMAGE button is for when you have an image already stored online such as in an imageshare type site.
Attachments are images that are uploaded to the forum for sharing.  Thanks for keeping yours small and a single panel only.

For attractive women you can't beat Matt Baker.  Check in St John in the romance titles.  He's the best.

-Yoc