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Offline Poztron

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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2012, 10:36:45 PM »
That would be heaven.
If someone who owns the book could scan those illustration pages - and Yoc will put them somewhere to look at!
Thanks for your help.

OK. I'll try to scan them over the extended Thanksgiving (U.S.) weekend and upload them. There will no doubt be some shadows in the 'gutter' and I don't want to crack the binding of my copy, so they will be mostly for reference. But if they aren't solidly available online, I suppose this should be done. I'll assume that they either fall into public domain or fair use law.

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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2012, 06:55:15 AM »
Well, a lot of the books are obviously in the public domain and it was Fair Use (when they were covered under copyright) when Wertham used them.  But, the book is under copyright, and Fair Use generally involves some sort of significant transformation.

So, collecting the images he used all in one place, right from his book with no creative input?  That gets into what the courts call (I think) "sufficient similarity."  To give an extreme example, imagine filming your own shot-for-shot remake of Star Wars, but where every word in the script is translated into Esperanto.  Assuming you do your own production design, too, such a film wouldn't use any single element covered by copyright, but it's pretty obvious that (now that the property is theirs) Disney's lawyers would have a pretty good case when they try to crush you like a bug.  Nobody would question that it'd be an infringement.

This wouldn't be as cut and dried, but I'd still be a little suspicious of just collecting the images to present them as being the images from "Seduction of the Innocent."  Every one of the words he used is, individually, in the public domain, and using any arbitrary passage would be Fair Use, but extracting all the text would be problematic, as well...

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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2012, 09:33:58 AM »
Hot tamale!!!
(whatever that my mean...)
My thanks go out to YOC.
He mailed me the SOTI illustration pages via personal mail.
For my own "fair use", hehe.
You will have seen them all here or there, but it's still shocking to see how crude the man (Wertham) thought.
And simple. And one-track-minded.
And with NO sense for entertainment...
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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2012, 09:43:48 AM »
This wouldn't be as cut and dried, but I'd still be a little suspicious of just collecting the images to present them as being the images from "Seduction of the Innocent."  Every one of the words he used is, individually, in the public domain, and using any arbitrary passage would be Fair Use, but extracting all the text would be problematic, as well...

Hmm. OK. If YOC already has the images scanned and putting them up online would be problematic (which I can respect), then I'll save myself the trouble of scanning them. My copy's binding is close to shot, as it is.

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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2012, 03:05:13 PM »
Thanks for the offer Poz.  The book is still under copyright so we can't share those pages here.
Someone else sent it to me in an email and I just pulled the pages Tilliban wanted.

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Re: Small GA publishers a NYC phenomenon?
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2012, 10:55:25 PM »
The thing with SOTI is that the reproduction of the Reform School Girls cover made me really really want to get my hands on a copy when I was a kid, and I just hope that before I die someone can scan a whole copy and put it up here. I realize that it will be totally anti-climactic, judging from the one story I've found online, but still....