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Offline CortoMaltese

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Hello from Brazil.
« on: February 24, 2012, 06:30:56 PM »
Happy to be here. I am a 55 y/o comics lover. Yes, to me McCay was the best! Pratt, the second...
Now excuse me... I will start reading...  ;D

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Hello from Brazil.
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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 07:31:17 PM »
And lots to read here too.
Enjoy your stay CM.
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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 09:10:30 PM »
Happy to be here. I am a 55 y/o comics lover. Yes, to me McCay was the best! Pratt, the second...
Now excuse me... I will start reading...  ;D
Last year in Paris, CM, I picked up a copy of the VERY FIRST Corto Maltese in Sgt. Kirk #1 and I only bought it because it had a story by Arturo Del Castillo. I heard Hugo Pratt give a lecture in Paris in 1973! Unfortunately, I didn't know any French (still basically don't) and so I didn't understand anything he said.

I never met McCay, but I live two miles from The Sunday Press!

Once more I must point out that newspaper comics are not the same as comic books. Nobody cares about that but me...

Welcome.

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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »
Hi, CortoMaltese - named after one of my all time favourite comic characters.  Great stuff.

JVJ, actually, I also care.  We've had this chat previously and I don't want to wind you up, it's simply that we'll just have to agree to differ. Perhaps it is a cultural background effect with me but, if it is, it's the same for millions of strip/comic readers all over Europe who were used to weekly anthologies.  Divergent ways of producing comics entertainment.
My solution to this interesting difference, and I bow to your knowledge and experience in both comics and dining, is, a glass or three of decent wine and a good dinner - what we're about to have.
Chin up, it's the stuff on the page that's important.
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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 11:38:19 AM »
Me, I'm sort of in the middle, but I think that about most media.  Like, you can write a great movie script and make it passable as a novel, comic book, radio serial, or video game, but doing so loses some of the potential of both in the translation.  A closer analogy might be movies with and without sound.  You could write the same script for both, but one is probably going to be a better match, whereas you could write a great script for either.

That may not be what Jim means, but my thinking is that the techniques overlap, but a master of either form isn't necessarily going to be any good at the other.

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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 01:19:44 PM »
And the same characters may not translate well to another medium. Jim mentioned the inability of many manga artists to make a three page story. Humor strips often tell a whole story in only three panels. The artistic ability of the artists often pale beside the writing ability. Several long lasting strips are simplistic and even crude but very funny. I have always preferred story to art while Jim has often stated his enjoyment of the artistic endeavors. The size alone of newspaper strips often limits visual artistic expression and the free flow from panels that comic book artists use.

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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 04:58:09 PM »
There's a technique/style/language of a single Sunday page that forces a break in the continuity of the story. That continuity is what I consider the essence of a comic book story - a page-to-page flow. This simply doesn't happen in Little Nemo.

Corto Maltese is a comic BOOK where the story was broken up in the presentation but NOT in the storytelling. Prince Valliant and Fraser of Africa are comic STRIPS with an artificial (and, to me, incredibly intrusive) stutter-step between every single page.

I don't believe that it's so much a cultural difference but simply a different medium. There's nothing wrong with either, but I happen to believe that they shouldn't be considered as identical. If you pick up a Blueberry album, it is next to impossible to tell how many pages Pilote chose to print in each issue and where they chose to break the installments. The story is told quite differently than a U.S. comic book, but it's a comic book nevertheless.

When you read Steve Canyon, you KNOW where each page broke and the story suffers from it. I couldn't make through the Scorchy Smith books due to the disruptions and repetitions. Comic STRIP readers accept those as given and do not see them as detriments. S'OK. I understand, but, as you say, paw, we have to agree to disagree. For me they are a different critter than comic books and graphic novels in which the story-telling is primary, not the page breaks. Viva la difference!

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Re: Hello from Brazil.
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2012, 05:52:46 PM »
I really enjoy reading the Phantom strips. But the breaks are more noticeable in collected works and become annoying. But the stories are good.