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Offline John C

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Interesting Webcomics
« on: August 29, 2010, 06:41:16 AM »
In case there's an interest, I found a couple of good webcomic serials some of you might enjoy.

First, Africa Benson is...well, I guess imagine if Indiana Jones had been in Star Wars instead of his own movies, and that's a good start.  Slick art and plenty of weirdness reminds me of some of the highlights of the Golden Age books we have here.

http://spaceboynigeria.com/tag/africa-benson/

It's presented as a blog, so newest stuff first, and the writer has a lot of other neat stuff squirreled away throughout.  (I had no idea there was a "Nigerian comics scene."  Or a movie industry.  Or...well, you get the idea.)

Then...something even more different, from a mainstream comic artist.  That gut-wrenching scream you heard in the distance at around midnight last night was me catching up to the most recent page and realizing I now have to WAIT for them to be produced.

http://www.sintitulocomic.com/2007/06/17/page-01/

I thought artists like this guy (Toronto's Cameron Stewart) were drummed out of the industry, since every modern comic I see is just a series of photoreferenced splash pages with some incoherent dialogue.  And yet, we have eight panels per installment (week, when he has the time) that sprint from one cliffhanger to the next in weirdness.  Storytelling in a comic?  Inconceivable!

Oh, strong language, sometimes.  So if you need to worry about such things, worry.  (And the ending might be a total letdown, like whenever anybody does something like this on television, so keep that in mind.)

Anything else out there worth reading (and supporting)?

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Re: Interesting Webcomics
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 01:16:52 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions. I took a look, John C,
at Africa Benson #3 on your recommendation. I couldn't get past the second page. If suffers from the sad modern ailment of "OMG, I forgot that I was drawing a comic book page!" syndrome.

There is no visual continuity between/among panels and it is not obvious even which panel comes next. Do I read left/right/down or left/right/right/down and back two? And the contents of the panels gave me ZERO clue as to how to proceed and quite often drew my eye in the exact opposite direction. I gave up. I don't want to work that hard to read a comic book.

The artists of the Golden Age at least knew that they were drawing a comic page and, with varying levels of success and skill, contrived to move you through the page and off to the next one.

I know nothing about the artist on Africa Benson except that he/she is drawing each panel with reference ONLY to the script (if there is one or plot if there isn't) and pays ZERO attention to what came before or after. This isn't comics in my mind. To emulate Alex Toth, comics need/require/rely/depend on continuity (and to quote John Benson and Bernard Krigstein) BETWEEN THE PANELS. Krigstein pointed out that comic book action doesn't occur in the panel, but in the space between one static image and the next. Our Africa Benson artist doesn't get that. Few modern comic artists seem to. And that's pretty much why they've lost me as an audience.

Frankly I want more than static pictures in my comic book stories. Call me old-fashioned.

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Re: Interesting Webcomics
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 01:28:11 PM »
Sin Titulo, on the other hand, ROCKS!, John,
Great find.

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Re: Interesting Webcomics
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 03:16:16 PM »
Enjoying Sin Titulo, thanks.  Not so sure about Africa Benson.  As JVJ says,  it's a bit too much like hard work.
You might enjoy this web strip.  It's amusing and makes a few good points:-
http://www.chicken-and-chips.com/
I found it here and there a lot of comics, many of dubious worth but take a look:-
http://powcomics.com/comics.php
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Re: Interesting Webcomics
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 03:44:19 PM »
Interesting.  I don't disagree, now that you've both mentioned it, but I saw the "flow" immediately.  I don't know if it's in the panel arrangement or I just automatically assume that it reads like (English) text.  There's probably a good psychological (or "user experience") study, there.  I imagine it's a "forest-or-trees" issue of some sort.

Or maybe the books I started reading didn't have that affordance.  You've mentioned that it mostly started as a Kirby thing, and I've usually avoided both Kirby's work and that of most of his direct imitators.  Don't know.  As I said, it's a point of disagreement that strikes me as interesting, and I'm sure a product design student could have a field day with it.

What drew me in, though, was that I could see the story in each panel, which is something I've only rarely seen...and then only in much-maligned pencillers like Mike Sekowsky.  I worry less about (and probably look for less of) the inter-panel continuity, since down that path in less talented hands, lies (shudder) "decompression," the horrifying idea that comics should be directed like movies with long sweeps of nothingness...

(And Mistah Spammah, to adapt Joseph Conrad, he dead.  Banned by every measure, and threads removed.  Until the next one shows up, "he dead," I mean.)

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Re: Interesting Webcomics
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 10:00:35 PM »
Interesting.  I don't disagree, now that you've both mentioned it, but I saw the "flow" immediately.  I don't know if it's in the panel arrangement or I just automatically assume that it reads like (English) text.  There's probably a good psychological (or "user experience") study, there.  I imagine it's a "forest-or-trees" issue of some sort.

Or maybe the books I started reading didn't have that affordance.  You've mentioned that it mostly started as a Kirby thing, and I've usually avoided both Kirby's work and that of most of his direct imitators.  Don't know.  As I said, it's a point of disagreement that strikes me as interesting, and I'm sure a product design student could have a field day with it.

What drew me in, though, was that I could see the story in each panel, which is something I've only rarely seen...and then only in much-maligned pencillers like Mike Sekowsky.  I worry less about (and probably look for less of) the inter-panel continuity, since down that path in less talented hands, lies (shudder) "decompression," the horrifying idea that comics should be directed like movies with long sweeps of nothingness...

(And Mistah Spammah, to adapt Joseph Conrad, he dead.  Banned by every measure, and threads removed.  Until the next one shows up, "he dead," I mean.)
I could go into detail on the misdirection of the page that I gave up on, John,
but I'm just not that impressed with the strip to give it that kind of attention. I'm happy for you that you like it. it's just not my cup of tea, and few modern strips are. If you can "see the story in each panel" then you've got more imagination than I do.

but I begin to digress into discussion, and I'd much rather continue reading my book, "Medium Raw: A Bloody Valentine to the World of Food and the People Who Cook." Don't ask me why. Anthony Bourdain is a good writer and I happen to like food. I actually bought two (count 'em, TWO) digest Vertigo Crime books when picking up the latest issue of Echo on Thursday. One was Dark Entries by Ian Rankin and Werther Dell'Edera and the other was # Filthy Rich by Brian Azzarello and Victor Santos. I think that the artists are European (probably Italian) and display a more fundamental knowledge of comic storytelling than a lot of American newbies. But I'm discussing and digressing again and Bourdain is calling.

Enjoy the web and its comics. You get what you pay for (though occasionally, like Sin Titulo, you are given a great gift - for which I sincerely thank you for the recommendation).

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Re: Interesting Webcomics
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 07:53:02 PM »
I recommend johnnysaturn.com  I did not know it was a webcomic originally. I got the first six downloads at Wowio. Found out there were more later and got the next three at drivethrucomics.com which has the first issue for free. If you do not mind webcomics you can read them all free. Has a nice edge that I like.