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Holyoke is a Myth...
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
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--- Quote from: fox_centaur on April 09, 2010, 02:20:31 PM ---Captain Fearless #2, 9/1942, is pub@Meriden, Conn. (and 2nd class pending) by Helnit Publishing Co., Inc. Editorial 381 Fourth Avenue, New York City.
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Didn't you mean 9/1941, Henry?
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Yes I did :-) Just double-checked to make sure there wasn't a typo or anything. September 1941 in the indicia, issue #2.
JVJ (RIP):
--- Quote from: fox_centaur on April 09, 2010, 05:19:46 PM ---Well, yeah, I thought so, but I see that wacky Samson theory in so many places. As I've gotten deeper in the research side of comics it's been interesting to see what's entrenched in peoples' minds, and what's just been repeated more because no one thought to question it than because anyone really thought it was true.
-henry
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Speaking of "entrenched", Henry,
I notice that people are still unsure whether Eisner in involved on the early Dr. Drew stories in Rangers. Darkmark continues to hedge his bets in a post here on the "Most Under-appreciated comic" thread. Those stories are signed "Jerry Grandenetti" but look more like Eisner and Co. than Grandenetti ever did before or since. We know what JG's art really looks like and the early Dr. Drews are more Eisner than him. At one point Grandenetti goes solo, still signing, but the style changes drastically and becomes much more recognizably him.
As for the Senorita Rio stories (#65 & 66), Hames Ware and Henry Steele (and I) have all debunked the notion that these are Grandenetti. I wish you wouldn't perpetuate outdated info, dm.
(|:{>
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 09, 2010, 06:39:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: fox_centaur on April 09, 2010, 05:19:46 PM ---Well, yeah, I thought so, but I see that wacky Samson theory in so many places. As I've gotten deeper in the research side of comics it's been interesting to see what's entrenched in peoples' minds, and what's just been repeated more because no one thought to question it than because anyone really thought it was true.
-henry
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Speaking of "entrenched", Henry,
I notice that people are still unsure whether Eisner in involved on the early Dr. Drew stories in Rangers. Darkmark continues to hedge his bets in a post here on the "Most Under-appreciated comic" thread. Those stories are signed "Jerry Grandenetti" but look more like Eisner and Co. than Grandenetti ever did before or since. We know what JG's art really looks like and the early Dr. Drews are more Eisner than him. At one point Grandenetti goes solo, still signing, but the style changes drastically and becomes much more recognizably him.
As for the Senorita Rio stories (#65 & 66), Hames Ware and Henry Steele (and I) have all debunked the notion that these are Grandenetti. I wish you wouldn't perpetuate outdated info, dm.
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Has this discussion made it into the GCD? If no one here wants to go in and work on the indexes themselves, if there's a summary you can write or point me to I can at least file an error report so it doesn't get forgotten. I like to at least get the right names in the fields (for searching) with a listing of the positions being argued and who has ID'd what so folks can draw their own conclusions. And of course if a position has stronger evidence, that should go in the fields and the notes should just explain why the older theory has been debunked so that folks don't change it back.
thanks,
-henry [who has not seen the stories in question and is a mediocre art spotter at best anyway]
JVJ (RIP):
The data is already IN GCD, Henry,
That's why I was surprised to see DM's post. Henry, Hames and I updated all of those listings to be accurate as we can be and they should be respected unless someone has some additional and newly accredited information.
Peace, Jim (|:{>
Bob Hughes:
--- Quote from: fox_centaur on April 09, 2010, 05:19:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 09, 2010, 04:59:24 PM ---I just changed "my" Helnit listings for Green Hornet to Bob's Green Hornet Pub. Co. based on my apparently erroneously belief that HE had more and better info than I. I've changed them back to Helnit(?) until we get confirmation one way or the other.
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--- Quote --- Bob might have something- we'll see what he says :-) But the GCD record has it as Helnit for #1 and Green Hornet Pub. Co. for #2-6, so he might have just used that. I'm as skeptical of that as I am of any other Temerson/Carnahan/Holyoke data that hasn't been gone over either in the thread on gcd-main earlier this year or in this thread :-)
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The Green Hornet Pub co. stuff came from Keltner's index, which has always seemed to be pretty accurate, as far as it goes.
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