Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)

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Comic Name: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper) (91.25 MB)
Description: CZUR ET24 Pro Overhead Scanner 320 dpi paper scan from a complete copy. Covers  scanned on Epson flat bed at 600 dpi, touched up, then downconverted to 320 dpi to match the CZUR scans. Replaces fiche only copy on DCM.
Uploaded by: agentdynamo
Upload Date: 2023-04-24 15:30:24

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[srca1941]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
I hate to say it, but the overhead scanner doesn't do nearly as well as the flatbed. So much of the finer detail is lost and black areas don't always look black.
 

[Yoc]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Thanks for doing these AD.  I know most GA collectors out there wouldn't dare open a CGC coffin or attempt a scan of any type.  Those that risk their books to preserve them for reading are all heroes in my book!
 

[srca1941]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Yes, I hope my comment isn't taken as a negative criticism, it certainly isn't meant to be. I VERY much appreciate these Nedor books! They're some of my favorites!
 

[tronvillain]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Wow. Great to see this outside of Darkmark's fiche copy. Thanks.
 

[agentdynamo]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Prior flat bed scans have separated covers from the inner contents, as well as centerfolds from the other pages. It seems to be around a 30-50% risk no matter how careful I am with the process. I will use flat bed scans for coverless or low grade comics with covers separated. The rest will have to live with the CZUR overhead scans and lesser quality.

I've waited ~12 years for these scans as well and am trying to get them done while still possible. Many of these are hard to find in any condition. This particular Thrilling shows only 3 sold copies in 22 years of Heritage Auctions history. So I take what I can get in terms of condition, even though lower grade is best.

Thanks for the comments. I am happy to report that there are more to come, including more all fiche replacements.
 

[Snard]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
The following is not something that most people would be comfortable with, but to prevent damage to higher grade books, I have often removed the staples before scanning. Then each page can be placed on the scanner bed and there will be no popped staples or detached centerfolds. As an added bonus, when a book is scanned this way, there is little to no spine curl or page distortion. When scanning is complete, the staples can be replaced.  Of course, the staple removal and replacement requires some care, and if you plan to resell the book, there is some risk that the staple removal will be noticeable.
 

[srca1941]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Popping staples was something unthinkable to me for many years, but some Fawcett books are so mis-folded that it became inevitable if I wanted to scan some of them. I was extremely nervous the first time, but it really went smoothly and I haven't had any really noticeable damage from doing so, other than on very brittle books, which would have suffered worse damage had the staples remained. I still don't remove staples if I don't have to, it can be time consuming, but I don't fear it anymore. Everybody will have their own comfort level with this sort of thing, but for me, it hasn't been bad and has gotten easier.
 

[agentdynamo]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Interesting. I had heard of staple removal for more 'recent' comics, but not for Golden Age. The staple metal can age and become brittle as well. Have you ever experienced a staple breaking after unbending and re-bending it for the scan? What is your sample size for 80 year old Golden Age comics, done a couple, dozens, hundreds?

I have a couple of coverless newspaper strip reprints I could experiment with. They are worth practically nothing and have little demand these days.
 

[srca1941]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
Unless the staple is very rusty (in which case you're probably dealing with a very low grade book anyway), I've never had a staple break. I've only done staple removal/replacement on maybe 20 or so books, but others have done it on many more and I haven't heard of problems. Pmack, who has done more scans than I can fathom, has scanned many high value books and regularly removes staples. It was through his encouragement that I first tried it. I have several books which are little more than stacks of crumbly paper anyway, whose staples I removed. Normally, if I don't replace the staples after scanning, I at least keep them with the book to be replaced later (I may keep them out if it helps with the readability of the book), but for the really poor crumbly books, there is no hope of restoring the staples, so I keep them as vintage replacements if there would be a bad staple that I would have to replace on a more valuable book.
 

[srca1941]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
There are other ways to avoid or greatly minimize damage to higher end and/or delicate books which are often in the greatest need of receiving a high quality archival scan. I have several books (as in novel-type books) that I use as weights, among other objects. One is a paperback that is a good size and weight, and has enough flexibility that I can put it on most spines without damage. If the spine is especially delicate, I will use two books on either side of the spine to hold it down (I use an A3 scanner). Others have found success with book-edge scanners, where the spine doesn't have to be laid flat to scan. I've never had one, so I can't give any personal experience with them.

I like this particular book, North and South by John Jakes, as my primary scanning weight. It's smaller than a comic, has enough weight to hold most comics flat, and the paperback (not mass market paperback) version is flexible enough to bend around a spine. https://www.amazon.com/North-South-Trilogy-Part-One/dp/0451200810/
 

[agentdynamo]

Comment made at: Thrilling Comics 011 (paper)
My staple removal of the 1940 newspaper reprint book did not go well. I ended up with gouge marks on the pages trying to get under the staple edge with a Bostitch staple remover. Additionally the staples did not bend straight up, instead the staple part inside the book bent with the end and gouged the outer edges of the staple holes throughout the book. I just don't see how I'm going to remove staples without noticeable damage. Fortunately this was a beat up coverless newspaper book that wouldn't fetch $5 on ebay.

For flat bed scans I've used comic books with boards in mylar, or just backing board in mylar, to hold down by hand the scanned book, being careful to leave some bend in the spine area and only flatten enough to get to the page borders. I've still seen damage this way, and it is worse for books with staples not centered on the spine, but instead are off center, located 1/8 inch into the front or back. This is stress free for half the book then very stressful (book and book owner!) for the other half.

I see a Plustek 4900 Book Edge Scanner with 2mm edge on Amazon, $499. This might work. Facing pages could be at a 90 degree angle to each other, much better than the overhead scanner. I will look at this some more though am not eager to buy another scanner.