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JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« on: March 07, 2011, 06:08:09 PM »
I have been a member of this community for some time now and have been enjoying the books scanned on this site and the discussion in the community of people who collect and share their comic books.
It seems as though whenever there is a discussion about a particular item concerning the history of our hobby, whether it be a artist, comic company or what-not, at one point or another JVJ will chime in with his knowledge pertaining the topic.
I get the feeling that he has forgotten more about comics that I will ever know, and I have been reading them since about 1968(I was about ten).
A question then for JVJ. Have you ever written down, at least some, of what you know about comic books and their creators?
I would just love to read it!
If you have not, maybe you could dictate verbally onto tape and someone could transcribe it?
I would love have a long chat with a person who knows as much about the industry as you do.
What does everybody else think?
I don't mean to embarrass you with idle praise. But I do think you are pretty dog gone knowledgeable in this area.
Yours,
Bminor

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JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« on: March 07, 2011, 06:08:09 PM »

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 06:14:50 PM »
This Very Topic was raised in another topic somewhere B.
Narfstar suggested that Jim should consider getting his facts down on paper or tape or whatever as it might be lost forever and that would be a real shame.

And I agree with you.  I too would Love to see such a project happen as well!

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 06:50:46 PM »
While your comments are flattering, guys,
you don't quite understand what I bring to the table. It's really the ability to assimilate the data in question and dissect it objectively and make the connections to figure things out. I'm ALWAYS learning as much myself as I am sharing.

For instance, I'm currently working on a project that suddenly, just before publication, was blind-sided by a new player in comics history. Without even knowing what this new artist looked like, I took the time-frames, the company and the connections given and deduced the style and documented his career. Now HOW could I share that "knowledge" with anyone before the questions were asked?

That's what I do. I answer questions. When somebody asks, I dig up an answer or try to. Mostly I try to answer questions that haven't been asked before, because those are by far the most interesting. But my "knowledge" is strung over thousands of index cards and cross-indexes and notes and tapes shared with Hames Ware and the comics in the boxes in my attic and it is most definitely NOT on tap in my brain. People get very disappointed with me when they encounter me away from my source material (say at WonderCon, for example) and expect me to display my knowledge. The same would happen in front of a tape recorder.

Like a good librarian, I know WHERE to find the answers. I am currently working on isolating the styles of George Kerr and L. Bing on Raggedy Ann and Andy at Dell, filling in a few missing credits for Gary Brown and Alan Hutchinson's Dell Four Color project, helping someone (see, no memory whatsoever) on a Lou Cameron checklist, working with Alberto Becattini on a Matt Baker checklist, updating some Tarzan Annual GCD credits, ID-ing (or TRYING to) some early 1950 Mad-parody art for John Benson, looking over the Marvel Mystery 21-24 Masterworks credits for Doc V, searching out the data to repudiate an erroneous credit in the latest Mystic MM, etc. In every case I'm LEARNING stuff that I didn't know. In every case, someone asked me something we didn't know.

Ask a question, I'll try to answer, but ask me to do a "data dump" and you'll be gravely disappointed.

I hope you can understand the difference. I'm extremely dedicated to getting comics history RIGHT, ONE FACT AT A TIME. Every "history" of comics should be challenged point by point and the author should have a real answer as to why they said what they did. There is way too much that is taken as fact and as "given" that is wrong or misunderstood.

So, if you want to something, I'll try to answer your question and be happy to do so. Just remember, all too often it's going to be "I don't know!"

Peace, Jim (|:{>
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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 07:30:58 PM »
Well said Jim.
And for all you do and the scans you've helped produce you will always be a hero to the GA community.

Bless you sir.

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 08:03:38 PM »
Well, I expected a quick answer. Sure enough I received one...
So, you want a question. I will give you a question.

First, how about this as an idea for a new topic...

Ask JVJ.

The first question is...
I know next to nothing about Matt Baker, except that hew was a good girl artist(the first?) and a African-American.
Any other information would be nice...

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 08:18:50 PM »
Much too broad a topic, Bminor,
and also I believe the subject of a forthcoming book (which is what the topic requires), so I'll demur to that as being a delayed, but valid, answer to your question.

I will tell you that I believe Matt Baker left the Iger Shop in very late 1947 or early 1948 and that the VAST majority of what people think of as "Matt Baker" art at Fox is NOT by Baker. IMHO. I once looked at an Internet site devoted to "Matt Baker Original Art" and I felt that over half of what was displayed there wasn't Baker.

Make of that what you will.

And I'll tell you that the key to identifying Matt Baker is NOT the women, but the very solid drawing that must accompany them. If only the faces and the women look like he drew them, he probably didn't.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

ps. "Ask JVJ" isn't going to happen. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm called upon by lots of people to help with big projects and I do my best. But I have to ration my time and effort. If something comes up on the boards that I can help with, you know that I will, but a thread devoted to asking me questions sounds a lot like hell to me.
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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2011, 08:51:02 PM »
Well.....

It was just an idea....

I know what you mean about limited time though...

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 01:29:33 PM »
The amount of "work" is daunting to say the least. When you enjoy helping people it can become a full time job. I am not knowledgable at all. But I am involved in different groups. I guess you could call me a facilitator. Between the people and scans I help people get what they need. Jim is good at finding information. I help find the people or scans with the information. But Hey, I get a lot of free books.

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 11:14:50 PM »
Hey bminor,
There's a monthly magazine I think all us GA collectors would love to read published by Roy Thomas of 70s Marvel fame called 'Alter Ego' that is just publishing it's 100th issue!  They cover a LOT of the kind of topics we fans love and even did an issue devoted to Matt Baker - #47
http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=55

There are a couple of books to try as well if you want to try them:
*Jones, Gerard. Men of Tomorrow: geeks, gangsters and the birth of the comic book, Basic Books (2004)
*Simon, Joe. The Comic Book Makers. Vanguard (May 2003)

Ken Quattro has a fantastic site going here - http://tinyurl.com/3a26bom

Those would keep you busy for a good while.
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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 05:18:36 PM »
I would like to thank everybody for all the input on this thread!
Relating to comics and their history.
Is there a list books out there(not magazines necessarily) that relate to the history of comic books?
I know of a few and have only a couple of them. I am trying to acquire the best of the best of the history of comic books.

Those being:
1. All in Color for a Dime, by Don and Maggie Thompson (read this a teenager back in the early 70's)
2. Steranko History of Comics, vol. 1 and 2 ( I wish he would have written the other proposed volumes in this series)
3. Kirby, King of Comics
4. Superman, by Les Daniels
5. Strange and Stranger, The World of Steve Ditko, by Blake Bell
6. The Great Super Heroes, by Jules Pfeifer (original edition)

I heard once a few  years ago the Cat Ywrwonde ( spelled right) had put together a fantastic book about Steve Ditko, but a flood destroyed the manuscript. Does anybody else know anything else about this book?

Thanks everybody!!



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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 06:26:56 PM »
I would like to thank everybody for all the input on this thread!
Relating to comics and their history.
Is there a list books out there(not magazines necessarily) that relate to the history of comic books?
I know of a few and have only a couple of them. I am trying to acquire the best of the best of the history of comic books.

Those being:
1. All in Color for a Dime, by Don and Maggie Thompson (read this a teenager back in the early 70's)
2. Steranko History of Comics, vol. 1 and 2 ( I wish he would have written the other proposed volumes in this series)
3. Kirby, King of Comics
4. Superman, by Les Daniels
5. Strange and Stranger, The World of Steve Ditko, by Blake Bell
6. The Great Super Heroes, by Jules Pfeifer (original edition)

I heard once a few  years ago the Cat Ywrwonde ( spelled right) had put together a fantastic book about Steve Ditko, but a flood destroyed the manuscript. Does anybody else know anything else about this book?

Thanks everybody!!




Here's a bunch:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=comix&x=0&y=0#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=comics+history&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Acomics+history

There's one about Ditko called "Strange and Stranger:The World of Steve Ditko":
http://www.amazon.com/Strange-Stranger-World-Steve-Ditko/dp/1560979216

I remember liking this one when I was kid in the 70s:
"Comix: A History of Comic Books in America" by Les Daniels

There's a neat one "The Silver Age of Comic Book Art" by Arlen Schumer
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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 06:36:12 AM »

I heard once a few  years ago the Cat Ywrwonde ( spelled right) had put together a fantastic book about Steve Ditko, but a flood destroyed the manuscript. Does anybody else know anything else about this book?


That may have been the flood in California that damaged much of Eclipse Comic's works.  IIRC, Cat was working for Eclipse then and the book was going to be published by them.  Again, IIRC, Eclipse was already on kinda' shaky grounds financially when they got hit by the flood and the Ditko book and some other projects just never got back on track before Eclipse folded.

Best

Joe

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 12:11:15 PM »
It's tragic.  Nowadays the manuscript would be on a computer database, which could be recovered, flood or not.

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 07:07:58 PM »
Forgive my ignorance. What is IIRC?

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Re: JVJ and the History of Comic Books
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 07:22:09 PM »
If I recall correctly it means just that :-)