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Offline Kevin Yong

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Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« on: August 23, 2010, 04:57:44 PM »
Howdy, all. I posted a similar question at the GAC messageboard, but I wanted to see if the folks here had any feedback on this as well. (I love both sites, and I try to take turns alternating my downloads from both so as to split the bandwidth usage.)

I recently finished reading Avon's Robotmen of the Lost Planet and found it to be a decent sci-fi tale... once I got past the inherently silly-looking robots. And that's my question. Does anyone knows the story behind the "Robotmen" design? Their heads seem to bear a close resemblance to some sort of rubber squeak toy I've seen before. Was the toy patterned after this comic? Was this comic a deliberate early attempt at toy product placement? Is it some bizarre coincidence? (In which case, I have to wonder about the artist who would come up with such a downright strange design for an otherwise threatening army of world-conquering robots.)

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Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« on: August 23, 2010, 04:57:44 PM »

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 07:40:54 PM »
What I'd like to know is if "Robotmen" was adapted from a prose science fiction novel.  Several of Avon's sf one-shots were, and I'd be surprised if this one wasn't as well.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 11:31:53 PM »
The "official" (current) name of the toy is "Martian Popping Thing", Kevin.

I found a website with a guy who collects them and I sent him the cover of Robotmen with a query as to whether he knew which came first. I'll keep you posted.

http://darnorb.com/mpt/index.htm

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2010, 07:08:08 AM »
The "official" (current) name of the toy is "Martian Popping Thing", Kevin.
I found a website with a guy who collects them and I sent him the cover of Robotmen with a query as to whether he knew which came first. I'll keep you posted.
http://darnorb.com/mpt/index.htm
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Thanks for passing along that info. I didn't even know what those toys were called, I only knew those Robotmen looked familiar.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2010, 08:47:15 AM »
Ain't Google images grand, Kevin?
You're welcome. I just put in pop-eyed robot squeeze toy and turned up one pic of the toy in a box labled "Martian Popping Thing". Switched to Google net search for "Martian Popping Thing" and there was the site. Who knows what will come of it, but at this point, none of the toys I've seen appears to be 60 years old? So I'm thinking coincidence, but I'm willing to wait for and hoping go get a definitive answer.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2010, 08:18:13 PM »
What I'd like to know is if "Robotmen" was adapted from a prose science fiction novel.  Several of Avon's sf one-shots were, and I'd be surprised if this one wasn't as well.

I'd be curious too to know what comics were adapted from sci-fi prose -- and especially if they were adapted with permission. (I once heard Ray Bradbury share some anecdotes at a comic convention about how many of his short stories were being adapted into comics without his knowledge. I've heard conflicting versions of his conversation with the publisher, but the gist of it is that Bradbury politely pointed out the plagiarism in a way to let the publisher save face and pay for the stories without having to bring in lawyers to play hardball.)

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2010, 09:58:44 AM »
At least two of Ray's stories were stolen, including "Kaleidoscope" (which, iirc, became "Home to Stay").  Bradbury was just the first one to catch EC in the act.  They copped stories from other sources, including Hasse's "He Who Shrank" which became a Kurtzman story for WEIRD SCIENCE (I think).  Bill Woolfolk, God bless him, stole one of Raymond Chandler's stories for a Spirit story, which was considerable chutzpah in that the Spirit Section was a newspaper feature, not an obscure comic book.  "The Monkey's Paw" was ripped off for a Charlton horror story in the Sixties.  Archie Goodwin filched the premise for his Warren story about a building that enbalms its designer from Bradbury's "The Coffin", which was also adapted by EC.  I guess when you're up against a deadline, a lot of ethics go in the wastecan.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2010, 12:59:56 PM »
Darkmark, do you ever feel like the old shaman sitting around the campfire telling the next generation the same old stories? I guess somebody has to do it to keep the oral history alive, since nobody seems to read all that much any more.

Keep up the history lessons.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2010, 01:30:09 PM »
What I'd like to know is if "Robotmen" was adapted from a prose science fiction novel.  Several of Avon's sf one-shots were, and I'd be surprised if this one wasn't as well.

I'd be curious too to know what comics were adapted from sci-fi prose -- and especially if they were adapted with permission. (I once heard Ray Bradbury share some anecdotes at a comic convention about how many of his short stories were being adapted into comics without his knowledge. I've heard conflicting versions of his conversation with the publisher, but the gist of it is that Bradbury politely pointed out the plagiarism in a way to let the publisher save face and pay for the stories without having to bring in lawyers to play hardball.)

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Kevin (and anyone else who has "once heard" something,
Just put Ray Bradbury and EC Comics into Google and you'll get the story - generally from a more primary source (though not always, and it's good to find a secondary source to reinforce the first one you find). So MUCH of this info is out there that we don't really have to be unsure of our own history any more. As "historians" comic fans, frankly, have sucked for most of the existence of fandom. Now we just need to refer to the reference material more often.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2010, 02:54:56 PM »
To be fair, when it comes to accusations of plagiarism, the primary sources aren't necessarily those you want to follow.  It's often hard for a dispassionate court to distinguish between an adaptation of their work and a new work inspired by the same, let alone the creator of the original.  And even the most competant artist might not realize that their contract gives the publisher the rights to license the work to others without compensation.

That's not to say that it isn't worth hunting those sources down, of course, if one has an interest.  But once you have Bradbury's version of events as he interprets them, there's potentially another rabbit hole just behind it.

As an unrelated example, up until just a couple of months ago, Eisner's word was always seemingly taken as gospel on events in the comic industry, and now Ken Quattro's articles on the DC/Fox suit would cast a fair amount of doubt on some of the most critical assertions.

The reference material is also, as we've discussed, very poorly organized, in the grand scheme.  But then, I spent most of this afternoon haggling with Google over a (non-comic-related) topic, wherein dozens of searches and following links turned up one mildly interesting item, so I'm a bit bitter...

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2010, 06:28:33 PM »
Kevin (and anyone else who has "once heard" something,
Just put Ray Bradbury and EC Comics into Google and you'll get the story - generally from a more primary source (though not always, and it's good to find a secondary source to reinforce the first one you find). So MUCH of this info is out there that we don't really have to be unsure of our own history any more. As "historians" comic fans, frankly, have sucked for most of the existence of fandom. Now we just need to refer to the reference material more often.

It'd frustrating for me to admit that I was actually in the audience several years ago at the San Diego Comic-Con when both Ray Bradbury and one of the EC artists were together on stage discussing their firsthand accounts of those "unauthorized" comic adaptations... but now my own memory of the details they shared are already growing fuzzy! (I hadn't yet taken an interest in the Golden Age comics history at this point, so I wasn't paying as careful attention as I would have otherwise. Nor did I take notes or record the panels, like I do now at the shows I attend.)

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2010, 07:49:17 PM »
It might have been the 2000 EC Reunion Con, Kevin,
I was at that con, but not the panel. I actually attended the special reunion banquet (the ONLY SDCC banquet I EVER attended) and sat at a table with Angelo Torres, Sheldon Moldoff and George Woodbridge. What a night.

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Re: Robotmen of the Lost Planet?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2010, 08:26:00 AM »
It might have been the 2000 EC Reunion Con, Kevin,
I was at that con, but not the panel. I actually attended the special reunion banquet (the ONLY SDCC banquet I EVER attended) and sat at a table with Angelo Torres, Sheldon Moldoff and George Woodbridge. What a night.
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That sounds like quite an event! I'm envious.

No, the panel I was thinking of was one of the San Diego Con's ongoing Ray Bradbury spotlight panels. This particular one had Bradbury on stage sharing anecdotes from his past, and the moderator would then call out various surprise guests to join him on stage -- one of which was an artist friend from the EC comics days. I don't remember the year. It was after the 2000 convention, but before the comic-con.org website began archiving the programming schedules of past shows, so I can't look it up easily. (Hmm. I think I have my old convention program guides somewhere in my garage. Perhaps I'll find them sometime next month as I'm packing up to move to my new apartment...)

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