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Roygbiv666:

--- Quote from: NobbyNobbs on August 17, 2010, 04:46:09 AM ---Acording to Julius Schwartz ca half of the "new look with the yellow oval on the chest" was done by Shelly Moldoff, as Bob Kane had a contract with DC that he would be offered every second Batman story (and the yellow oval was a Julius Schwartz thing, that he demanded be used on all the issues he edited.)

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Wasn't the oval because DC couldn't trademark just a bat? Although, what do they do with the current bat design?

NobbyNobbs:
Acording to Julius Schwartz he had the oval added so everybody should be able to see exactly where his "reign" on Batman started, he demanded it from the first issue he edited.

moondood:
//Acording to Julius Schwartz ca half of the "new look with the yellow oval on the chest" was done by Shelly Moldoff//

I must admit--I try to ignore a lot of those late 50's - early 60's stories.  They're just not very good--and they're not Batman in my eyes.

But now that I think of it--I can "see" Shelly's work on some of those Schwartz-reign stories--though I think he dropped the Kane style and worked in a more realistic style--though one that I still didn't like.  Shelly was obviously versatile.

Once Adams came in and returned the Dark Knight to the night, the character returned to its proper roots....a mysterious avenger.

And even back in the late 30's, I thought it was cool that he was called "The Batman"...as if it wasn't his name--it was what he was.

Even in some early Superman stories he's referred to as "The Superman"...and that's pretty cool, too--though it fits Bats more than Supes.


Moondood

Bob Hughes:
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--- Quote ---i]Some of the early Target and the Targeteers "Bob Wood" art looks the same as some of the early Batman art.

Did Bob Wood ghost any Batman or were those Target and the Targeteers stories' art by Robinson & Roussos?
At least one of those Target and the Targeteers stories has names on stores/whatever in the art, like some early Batman art.
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Probably by Robinson and Roussos


--- Quote ---Was there a Kane ghost/assistant before Roussos?
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Yes, Sheldon Moldoff ghosted the earliest stories after the second one.


--- Quote ---When did Kane last do Batman comic book art?
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Probably around 1947/48. The Batman origin story from around then is by him.  Shortly after that Lew Schwartz took over- but Kane tended to redraw all his Batman figures- so you could say he was still involved.  I don't think Kane redrew Moldoff's figures starting in 1954.


--- Quote ---Wasn't 1960s New Look Batman art signed "Bob Kane" mostly (all?) by Shelly Moldoff?
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The stuff signed by Bob Kane was either by Shelly Moldoff, Joe Giella or Chic Stone.


--- Quote ---Did Kane REALLY use a ghost artist for Batman art prints he sold?
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Probably.


--- Quote ---Who do you guys figure came up with Robin and Joker, Kane or Robinson, or Finger?
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Finger wrote the stories.  Without the stories the ideas are meaningless


--- Quote ---Do you think Bill Finger should be credited as co-creator of Batman?
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I think Finger should be credited as the creator of Batman, period.

http://www.dccomicsartists.com/batman/batwho.htm

Bob Hughes:
 
--- Quote --- For some odd reason I've never seen explained anywhere, Kane had a better deal with DC than Siegel and Shuster--I have to think it's because he didn't just sign the paper like they did--he was smarter or more informed in some way.
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According to Men of Tomorrow, around the time the Siegel and Shuster mess started heating up, Kane came into the DC offices and demanded a new contract, claiming he was underage when he signed the first one. (He wasn't)  DC basically caved because they couldn't afford the possibility of losing both characters. 

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