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Holyoke is a Myth...
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
--- Quote from: Bob Hughes on April 07, 2010, 05:32:59 PM ---My ongoing analysis of the Temerson/Holyoke history is at
http://dccomicsartists.com/temerson/temerson.htm
Bert Whitman does the five issues of Crash, Whirlwind and the Helnit Green Hornet before leaving to do the Mr. Ex comic strip.
Speed is produced by a different group of people headed by Maurice Rosenfield, Ulmer's nephew.
So, it's really an Ulmer comic, not a Temerson comic.
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I apologize accidentally for misrepresenting this earlier in the thread! Although I thing you mean Ullman, not Ulmer :-) This groups Brookwood as one fork descending from Ultem (I.W. Ullman + Frank Z. Temerson) with Tem and Nita, then Helnit, the other fork. It also explains why "Brookwood" doesn't have a name made up from any of Temerson's favorite syllables (anyone know the derivation of "hel" and "nit"?), which Temerson obviously favored up until Continental.
--- Quote from: Bob Hughes on April 07, 2010, 05:32:59 PM ---Trying to figure out when Rae Herman left Temerson right now. Not much to work with.
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Between Oct. 1943 and Oct. 1945 is all I know from statements of ownership scans. Anyone spotted a 1944 statement? The other thing to look at would, I guess, be when she took over Wanted / Orbit / Our, although maybe there was overlap. Definitely not an area in which I've had time to do any serious investigation.
Random bit of trivia- The Hood (who appeared in Cat-Man) had a girlfriend named "Rachel Herman".
aussie500:
--- Quote from: archiver_USA on April 07, 2010, 02:49:00 PM ---And while who ever is in there fixing "Holyoke" to be one of the actual Temerson companies... can we fix the name in the small press section that currently says "Continental"? Key and Lucky comics are from Consolidated Magazines (Rubinstein), not Continental Magazines (Temerson).
Just my 2-cent carry-over from GAC. ;-)
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Sorry about the mix up in the small publisher section, I never set up a Continental section so had not noticed it.
JVJ (RIP):
A couple of questions, Bob.
--- Quote ---Personal Adventure Stories
ed. J. A. Rosefeld (Resolute Publications Inc., 25ยข, 68pp, large pulp, cover by A. E. Drake) -3 issues?
J.A. Rosenfield is I. W. Ullman's brother-in-law
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Is "ed. J. A. Rosefeld" a (sic) or a typo for "J. A. Rosenfeld"?
--- Quote ---"Lex Publications," 381 Fourth Avenue, which superseded "Ultem" and "Resolute Publications", is in its turn out.
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What does "is in its turn out." mean?
--- Quote ---Holyoke (Sherman Bowles) takes over Catman with #12(7) and Captain Aero with #8. Quinlan and Temerson go with them.
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What does "Temerson go(es) with them." mean?
--- Quote ---Champ takes over publishing of Champ Comics with #12.
225 West 57th ST Leo Greenwald ed and publisher
Adolphe Barreux's Majestic Studios supplies the contents.
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Every issue of Champ I own (from #3 onward) seems to be produced by Barreaux (not Barreux), so I don't understand this entry for #12.
The path Rae Hermann takes from Temerson seems to be through Chicago - Rural Home (Patches, Taffy) and Swappers Quarterly (Toytown). Then with issues #2, to individual owners Taffy (1945 by Samuel Herman), Patches (1945 by Ray R. Hermann), Toytown (1945 by B. Antin) - ALL at 439 DeSoto in St. Louis, MO. With the THIRD issues of each, the mists clear away and it becomes clearly a unified, new company. The inside front covers list FOUR titles: Taffy, Patches, Toytown and U.S. No. 1 (never published). Art and Editorial is all at 1819 Broadway, NYC and Toytown #3 and Patches #3 both sport a logo proclaiming "An ORBIT Publication". The dates are all probably (I don't own Toytown #3) July 1946 and the Editor and Owner eventually turn out to be Ray R. Hermann.
Keep on researching...
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Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
--- Quote from: phabox on April 06, 2010, 04:30:56 AM ---Slightly off topic I know but I have often wondered what the connection between St.John and Dynamic/Harry A Chesler was as some early ST.John books reprinted material from that publisher/shop.
-Nigel
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Flying Cadet Publications, Inc., was also related to St. John and (in addition to the Flying Cadet series) published the main Chesler ("World's Greatest Comics") titles from 1/1945 - 1/1946. The company was listed as co-owner of the series at the time, and the editor was Will Harr (for some reason, people seem to want to assume Chesler edited all of his own series, while in truth he often had a separate editor). Do you know if the material reprinted from St. John came from Dynamic Comics #13-17, Punch Comics #12-16 or Red Seal Comics #14-15? Those were the Flying Cadet issues.
thanks,
-henry
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 09:19:23 PM ---A couple of questions, Bob.
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I'm not Bob, but I can answer some of these :-) One easy one is that Rosenfield is often misspelled Rosenfeld in various places, but the former is correct. This has been discussed quite a bit on gcd-main recently.
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 09:19:23 PM ---
--- Quote ---Holyoke (Sherman Bowles) takes over Catman with #12(7) and Captain Aero with #8. Quinlan and Temerson go with them.
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What does "Temerson go(es) with them." mean?
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Quinlan and Temerson continue to produce Cat-Man and Captain Aero under Holyoke. This is definitely visible with Quinlan's contributions. I can't lay hands on direct evidence for Temerson, although Bob might have something
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 09:19:23 PM ---
--- Quote ---Champ takes over publishing of Champ Comics with #12.
225 West 57th ST Leo Greenwald ed and publisher
Adolphe Barreux's Majestic Studios supplies the contents.
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Every issue of Champ I own (from #3 onward) seems to be produced by Barreaux (not Barreux), so I don't understand this entry for #12.
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Which part specifically are you contesting? When Bob and I (and others) discussed this last time on gcd-main, I managed to get a copy of Champ #12 which, as noted by Bob is from the "Champ Publishing Company", 225 West 57th St. It features a statement of ownership dated October 1940 listing the publisher as "Worth Publishing Co., Inc.", 122 East 42nd St., but listing Leo Greenwald as Editor (and no Managing Editor). This is the transition phase- earlier indicia from Worth Publishing specifically list Worth B. Carnahan as editor (Champion #4, for instance). As for the source, Quinlan seems not to have been involved here, while he is all over Cyclone (Bilbara) and O.K. Comics (Hit).
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 09:19:23 PM ---The path Rae Hermann takes from Temerson seems to be through Chicago - Rural Home (Patches, Taffy) and Swappers Quarterly (Toytown). Then with issues #2, to individual owners Taffy (1945 by Samuel Herman), Patches (1945 by Ray R. Hermann), Toytown (1945 by B. Antin) - ALL at 439 DeSoto in St. Louis, MO. With the THIRD issues of each, the mists clear away and it becomes clearly a unified, new company. The inside front covers list FOUR titles: Taffy, Patches, Toytown and U.S. No. 1 (never published). Art and Editorial is all at 1819 Broadway, NYC and Toytown #3 and Patches #3 both sport a logo proclaiming "An ORBIT Publication". The dates are all probably (I don't own Toytown #3) July 1946 and the Editor and Owner eventually turn out to be Ray R. Hermann.
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Thanks for this!
-henry
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