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Holyoke is a Myth...
JVJ (RIP):
--- Quote from: bchat on April 18, 2010, 10:23:14 AM ---
If he's writing a book that tells the history of a company or comics in general, yeah sure, he should get paid for that. If he's weaving an interesting story drawn from interviews or drawing conclusions from facts he's gathered & wants money for those thoughts, that's fine. What I have a problem with is people sitting on facts and not sharing them, then doing nothing more than saying "you're all wrong, I know the facts and I expect $24.95 from each of you to learn the truth!" I don't think it's right to hold-up somebody else's research (in this case, untangling the mess that is "Holyoke") because someone wants money for their "time and effort". People may disagree with me on this point, and that's fine too. I just feel that it's better to work together, especially when it comes to the history of Golden Age comics, and that starts with sharing the facts, not clinging to them like precious stones.
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I think this attitude is a little extreme, bchat.
It's you putting words and intentions into Mike's actions for which you have no basis. You seem too often to impugn people's motives. We should back off and let Mike speak for himself rather than interpreting his actions in the worst possible light. It's not conducive to nor encouraging of sharing.
His reasons are his reasons and you and I have got to respect them. And he's not holding up anything. You and I are free to duplicate his efforts and his research. That's one of the beauties of facts - they remain out there to be found, again and again. Hames just turned up an article by Mark Carlson from 20+ years ago that documented MOST of what we have RE-discovered in this thread.
Perhaps it's best if we all calm down a bit. If you feel that your research is being held up, then you should set about recreating whatever Mike has managed to discover over the years. Just like I'm not obliged to share my comics for scanning, Mike is not obliged to share anything with any of us. He may do it, but it's his choice, not his responsibility. And I don't think your attitude is encouraging him to do so.
PEACE, Jim (|:{>
bchat:
--- Quote from: John C on April 18, 2010, 10:41:07 AM --- And I don't appreciate the implication that anybody here is holding any information for ransom.
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I didn't say specifically that anyone was, only that I would find it objectional IF anyone did withhold facts that would benefit other people's research. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to feel that way and I won't apologize for it.
bchat:
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 18, 2010, 02:43:04 PM ---I think this attitude is a little extreme, bchat.
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You read WAY too much into what I posted.
--- Quote ---It's you putting words and intentions into Mike's actions for which you have no basis. You seem too often to impugn people's motives.
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I did no such thing. I did not aim my comments towards Mike personally and I'm offended that this is even suggested.
narfstar:
Reading an old K-a fanzine it was postulated that Nation-Wide and M.F. Enterprises might be the same company because they had the same address. What a tangled web comics are.
JVJ (RIP):
--- Quote from: bchat on April 18, 2010, 03:00:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 18, 2010, 02:43:04 PM ---I think this attitude is a little extreme, bchat.
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You read WAY too much into what I posted.
--- Quote ---It's you putting words and intentions into Mike's actions for which you have no basis. You seem too often to impugn people's motives.
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I did no such thing. I did not aim my comments towards Mike personally and I'm offended that this is even suggested.
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or perhaps our communication skills aren't quite as keen as we believe they are... It's not just what we say that matters, it's what people hear.
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