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Title: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 07, 2011, 06:45:05 PM
We'll I'm trying to upload more than once a year. So to follow up Daredevil Battles Hitler and Golden Boy 02, I am uploading:

Daredevil 07

Don't just read the Daredevil and Claw Features, this issue has lotsa fun stuff in it!!

Having some difficult uploading, but is should be up here soon!!

Later this week I should have some more Lev Gleason Paper, or Partial Paper Scans!!!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 07, 2011, 07:13:25 PM
durn, I can't seem to upload. I do not get a Captcha.... I try previewing, and it does not upload. I've tried safari, firefox, and chrome to no avail. I'll try tomorrow i guess. :-/
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: cooperway4 on December 07, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
I use firefox and it usually takes between 5 and 12 minutes. Slower connections could take longer. The page just sits there until it's done.
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 07, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
I hope you don't give up on this one Jeff!

There is also the option of uploading via FTP or if all else fails uploading to a file sharing site and posting the link and one of the others here will upload it for you.  I recommend Mediafire.com for this kind of thing.

If you are on dial-up an upload will take considerable time depending on the file size.
If you'd like the ftp info let me know and I can send you a PM with all you need.

-Yoc
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 07:16:46 AM
Great Idea Yoc!  Here it is

http://www.mediafire.com/?clu1sh21o1vpl26

THe Delay worked out for the best, I got to improve the front an back covers!!

Enjoy All, DD 02 is probably next!

Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: rangerhouse on December 08, 2011, 07:29:57 AM
Nice Job! Enjoyed the comic and scan
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 08:49:02 AM
Thanks Jeff!
Now can someone else here please upload it to the site or ftp for Jeff?
I wont be able to do it until much later tonight if not.  Thanks!

-Yoc
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: srca1941 on December 08, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
I'm downloading it right now, and will upload it to my folder in a few minutes.

Thanks Jeff! Hopefully I'll get my paper copy of #8 up soon!

-Eric
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
No need Eric, movielover has split the file (it's 150mb!) and is uploading it right now.
:D
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 10:46:42 AM
It's now up on the site!
Our thanks to Jeff for his scan.
:)
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
Fantastic-- I have number 9 as well,

Sidenote-- I emailed N. Chris Couch who works with Jerry Robinson about my London Scans, Jerry does not have any of these issues, but according to Chris, DarkHorse might do a London VOlume, So be sure to hold on to the raw 300dpi tiffs of the London story in issue 8. It would be great if the DCM could help Jerry put this volume together!!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 08, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
@Jeff: This is amazing. How old is Mr. Robinson?
I would love to have high resolution scans of all the Daredevils you have. I have a little experience in color correction, and I am a graphic designer, and I am very interested in Lev Gleason's Daredevil.
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 11:22:34 AM
Very cool - thanks for the info as well Jeff!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 08, 2011, 11:33:39 AM
Hmm… If it's issue 7 there is something wrong: the cover included is of issue #6.
Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 11:54:01 AM
The Cover is wrong, they had two #6's!!
Title: New Issue!! Daredevil Comics 02!!
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 11:55:20 AM
One of My favorite Lev Gleason Issues!! O0
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 12:09:18 PM
Yes, the cover incorrectly had #6 but it is actually #7.
See GCD gallery here - http://www.comics.org/series/235/covers/
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
I managed to get Daredevil 02 to upload through the website... hope you all enjoy!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 12:16:10 PM
Sorry Jeff, I don't see it here.
I'll send you a Private Message after this.
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 12:30:05 PM
ftping as we speak!!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 08, 2011, 12:36:59 PM
@Yoc: Many thanks. Now I see.
What a fascinating cover, a pity there is no higher resolution version.
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
Yeah, I think that is the best heritage cover, but perhaps another one is a tad better. If you find a nicer cover on heritage feel free to fix!!

Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 12:49:54 PM
Let me know when it's ready.  If you don't see me online here send me a PM and I'll get an email notice.
Thanks again for sharing these pricey books with everyone Jeff!
:)


ftping as we speak!!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: krankyboy on December 08, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
Thanks Jeff. Daredevil books are pretty scarce, so it's fantastic to see a fiche book replaced with paper.  :D
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 03:16:55 PM
Valliant.

I will try to get my raw scans up on dropbox eventually. And then edit away!! :)


I generally like to keep the pulpy look in my scans, generally only setting black and white levels on covers. Being that the comics were originally drawn with the pulpy paper medium in mind, I tend to not like the crispy white reprints as much, i.e. The Joe Simon/Jack Kirby Reprint Books. I buy those books and I'm grateful for them, but I prefer the pulp.

I't takes me forever to do joins, so I let my designer friend do those for me.

Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 08, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
Hi Jeff,
I entirely agree. But it depends whether you have got to do a conscious reprint, or just to produce an "eBook" for consultation.

In the first case, it's not a question of simulating aged paper, this is nonsense. It's rather a question of getting the right colors, as they were conceived for the paper medium on which they were originally printed. That’s what I spoke about.

In the second case, the comic book should appear exactly "as it is". They are "photographs of an object", after all.

Many thanks for everything!  ;)
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 08, 2011, 03:59:28 PM
DD #2 now up - all thanks to Jeff for another key early issue!
:)
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: JVJ (RIP) on December 08, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
Valliant.

Being that the comics were originally drawn with the pulpy paper medium in mind...

, I tend to not like the crispy white reprints as much,

I have never heard this apply to coloring, but not the drawing. The lines were probably drawn with the reproductive limitations in mind as many artists have stated, but I've never heard that the color of the pulp was taken into account when drawing (as opposed to coloring) in mind.

What's the source for this statement?

(|:{>
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: krankyboy on December 08, 2011, 05:45:12 PM
Thanks for the Daredevil Comics 02 Jeff!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 08, 2011, 06:26:00 PM


"I have never heard this apply to coloring, but not the drawing. The lines were probably drawn with the reproductive limitations in mind as many artists have stated, but I've never heard that the color of the pulp was taken into account when drawing (as opposed to coloring) in mind."

What's the source for this statement?

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I can't site the quote, but I believe it was in response to some of Marvel's Masterworks series where the silver age coloring schemes seem off putting on the high gloss white paper.

I seem to remember an artist discussing the pink used for caucasian skin becoming more flesh-like on pulp. I'll do some googling to try to find the source, but I could just as easily be mistaken.
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: srca1941 on December 08, 2011, 07:09:42 PM
I think Marie Severin said she kept the paper in mind when coloring for EC.

-Eric
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: JVJ (RIP) on December 08, 2011, 07:40:08 PM

I can't cite the quote, but I believe it was in response to some of Marvel's Masterworks series where the silver age coloring schemes seem off putting on the high gloss white paper.

I seem to remember an artist discussing the pink used for Caucasian skin becoming more flesh-like on pulp. I'll do some googling to try to find the source, but I could just as easily be mistaken.


Certainly have been lots of controversies and opinions about old comics and coloring and paper and scans, and I'm sure that will continue forever. And I am also certain that many artists have had strong opinions on the subject.

I read your comment to indicate that someone stated that the coloring used on pulp paper had an influence on how artists drew their strips, which I had never heard before. I have heard about using color for things like "holds" (like Powell did with his Shadow stories) and such and leaving out lines for colors to imply them, but never heard that the paper had anything to do with it. I'm not claiming that no one said what you quoted, just that I'd love to know the source.

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Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: JVJ (RIP) on December 08, 2011, 08:10:22 PM
I think Marie Severin said she kept the paper in mind when coloring for EC.

-Eric

I'm positive she did, Eric, but did she keep it in mind when she was drawing? That's the question, or the quotation I'm trying to source. Were artists pre-1970s influenced by the color of the paper?

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Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: srca1941 on December 08, 2011, 09:09:10 PM
I can't see where the coloring of the paper would have any influence on the drawing. Now the TYPE of paper, that's something else. I seem to recall reading something a few years back from either Carmine Infantino or Joe Kubert about having to adjust their work early on so it would reproduce well on newsprint where the ink would bleed.

-Eric
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: josemas on December 09, 2011, 06:08:54 AM
Here's three things related to drawing, printing and coloring that I can remember Joe Kubert telling us when I had him for a teacher (1979-82) at the Kubert School.  These all were in regards to the way comics were printed back then on newsprint.

1. You should draw to avoid dropout and bleeding so don't use too fine of a line and don't bunch your hatching too close together as the first will quite likely drop out and the later turn into a black blob when it's printed.

2. You should draw so that your black and white work will hold up on its own as you often had no control over the coloring either in the color guide making or in the color printing.  If your art was solid though it would stand up better under a weak coloring job and poor color printing.  In other words don't depend on the color to help your art and consider the fact they it may hurt it to some degree.

3. You should keep in mind that the color guides you prepared with Doc Martin dyes (which were rather bright colors) on white paper would look more muted when printed.

Best

Joe
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 09, 2011, 07:55:29 AM
There is also to say that the printed quality (paper+print) of 1940s comic books, up to the early 1970s I would say, is a lot better than what has come afterwards. For example, there are Doctor Strange stories drawn by Rudy Nebres (I have a Rudy Nebres original) or Tom Sutton, which were drawn and inked with high detail, a wonderful rendition which got almost completely "massacred" by the bad printed quality of 1970s.

Said this, Marie Severin is simply great.  ;)
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 09, 2011, 08:13:30 AM
Fantastic-- I have number 9 as well,

Sidenote-- I emailed N. Chris Couch who works with Jerry Robinson about my London Scans, Jerry does not have any of these issues, but according to Chris, DarkHorse might do a London VOlume, So be sure to hold on to the raw 300dpi tiffs of the London story in issue 8. It would be great if the DCM could help Jerry put this volume together!!

I have never been a Batman reader, but as we were talking about this, I see Jerry Robinson just passed away, and I’m very sad.  :'(
Jeff, now it would be really great if we could help in that reprint. Do you know how long the "London" feature lasted? I have not looked at all the early digital Daredevils yet.
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: josemas on December 09, 2011, 08:28:44 AM
There is also to say that the printed quality (paper+print) of 1940s comic books, up to the early 1970s I would say, is a lot better than what has come afterwards. For example, there are Doctor Strange stories drawn by Rudy Nebres (I have a Rudy Nebres original) or Tom Sutton, which were drawn and inked with high detail, a wonderful rendition which got almost completely "massacred" by the bad printed quality of 1970s.

Said this, Marie Severin is simply great.  ;)

While I've seen plenty of miserably printed comics from the Golden Age (were Charlton's ever decently printed?) I suspect you're right that comic book printing had deteriorated by the 1970s.  Much of that I would probably blame on the cost-cutting introduction of plastic printing plates at the time.

Still, it was that "high detail" work that was exactly the kind of thing Kubert was telling us not too get too enamored with as it would be the first thing lost in the comic book printing process.

Best

Joe
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 09, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
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I have never been a Batman reader, but as we were talking about this, I see Jerry Robinson just passed away, and I’m very sad.  :'(
Jeff, now it would be really great if we could help in that reprint. Do you know how long the "London" feature lasted? I have not looked at all the early digital Daredevils yet.

Heartbreaking news on so many levels... Robinson was one of the greatest class acts in the history of the medium. London went from issues 2-9 I believe.
Title: Silver Streak 11 has been posted via FTP!!
Post by: jeffcannell on December 09, 2011, 06:07:04 PM
Silver Streak 11 has been posted via FTP!!

more fiche than I would like, but the DD Claw bit and the Silver Streak Bit are completely paper!
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 09, 2011, 07:12:57 PM
Now up! 
It has 12 fiche but as Jeff said, the key features are in paper.
Thanks very much Jeff, you've made a big splash on the site.  We're loving these!
:)
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: jeffcannell on December 09, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
I somehow deleted two of the pages that I had scanned, but I already shipped the issue out to an ebay buyer. I like the Captain Battle Stories (especially the fact that they had a strong continuity between them) I wish that I could have contributed a complete Captain Battle Paper Scan.

Awhile back I bought a number of Lev Gleason and Columbia books in hope to scan and distribute them, but life got too busy. During Thanksgiving and Christmas time I hope to scan and edit my books, until all of them are uploaded. Unfortunately current budgets do not entail getting ahold of more Golden Age stories. So my max contribution to this site will probably be 75 books!!

Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: Yoc on December 09, 2011, 09:21:26 PM
That's a healthy number of books Jeff.
If you see any that are already on the site please check the existing scan.  Many are incomplete and for sure wont be at the 300dpi setting you have been using.

Looking forward to future shares by you,
-Yoc
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: vaillant on December 11, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
That’s just great Jeff.  ;)
Everyone's contribution is precious, no matter how little, especially for us non-United States not-English native speakers, which have never had the opportunity of reading the majority of the Golden Age stories, except for the occasional reprints, mostly by Marvel and DC.

Is there a list, more or less complete, of all the books which are now Public Domain?
Title: Re: Jeff Cannell Scans
Post by: narfstar on December 11, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
That is not little amount Jeff. We can surely use more Big Shots if you have them.