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Title: Alternate JSA
Post by: Roygbiv666 on October 02, 2010, 08:32:14 PM
Check out this famous cover of the first appearance of the Justice Society of America, the first super-team in comics.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:All-Star_Comics_3.jpg

Who would you put in each seat for different companies? They don't have to be power parallels, just who you like.

For example, if Standard/Better/Great/Nedor/whatever had done one, they might have had, left to right:

American Crusader
Black Terror
Captain Future
Doc Strante
Fighting Yank
Grim Reaper
Miss Masque
Pyroman

What about Centaur, etc.

I was thinking of getting a comic art commission, and this famous cover would be cool to replicate.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: John C on October 03, 2010, 08:34:07 AM
I don't really have an opinion, but it might be interesting to keep in mind the nature of All-Star Comics, rather than simply assume that the heroes should be chosen from "favorites."  The All-Star principle was closer to "American Idol" (I assume, never having watched it) than any sort of "all-star" anything.

The characters were explictly the second stringers from anthology books, with the goal of finding the next break-out character.  As a character got "promoted," he left the book (and team).

On top of that, there seemed to be the idea that you couldn't promote multiple characters from the same anthology:  Nobody from Action or Detective were on the JSA roster, because Superman and Batman had their own books already.  Oh, and the lineup is half-and-half split between All-American Comics and National Periodical Publications.

Not that you're "not allowed" to approach it differently, obviously, but I often find adding these sorts of restrictions make the selection both easier and more interesting.  For Nedor, especially, you have a schism between imprints (or companies) and you have characters like the Black Terror who did graduate into their own titles.  Playing with those ideas could give rise to a much more interesting team than you would otherwise have considered.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 03, 2010, 10:21:41 AM
Yeah John All-Star was an ingenious marketing ploy. The JSA members had very little interaction with one another. The characters appeared on the cover so if you see some characters you like you get the book. Then like you said, one character may break out and not the exposure.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: Guardian7 on October 03, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
Basing this on what has been said.

For Centaur I would probably go with...

Air Man

Fire Man

Vapo-Man

Minimidget (with Ritty)

Plymo

Solarman

Zardi the Eternal Man

Electric Ray

Blue Lady or Super-Ann (yes I know the inclusion of these two makes nine when there are eight. But in the eventual placement of a female member I would likely choose one of them. Blue Lady is vastly more interesting so I would personally go with her.

That is my picks at least.

The JSA's lineup is probably one of my all time favorite lineups ever to be created. Just a great blend of characters (even better after they added Wonder Woman).

G7
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: John C on October 03, 2010, 11:45:35 AM
Yeah John All-Star was an ingenious marketing ploy. The JSA members had very little interaction with one another. The characters appeared on the cover so if you see some characters you like you get the book. Then like you said, one character may break out and not the exposure.

It also shows how tastes have changed.  Many other companies tried to build a team out of their heroes and never got past the first appearance.  The JSA, though, was almost designed to NOT be a team, and they became a mainstay of the industry.  Meanwhile, today, you can get by with almost any team book, but nobody will publish an anthology.

I do wonder how seriously the characters were chosen, though.  It almost seems like the pairs were intentionally supposed to give a "correct" answer to the next solo character.  For example, did anybody really think there was a chance of the Atom getting his own book when fellow All-American hero Green Lantern is available?  Did Hawkman have a chance with Flash around?  Could Dr. Fate and the Spectre possibly each support a title?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: JonTheScanner on October 03, 2010, 05:53:10 PM
According to Shelly Moldoff, Hawkman had a good chance of getting his own title except the war-time paper shortage shelved that idea.  By the time the war was over, super-heroes were in a decline.

But you're right All Star was specifically designed to have two features from each of Adventure, More Fun, Flash and All-American.  It was a joint venture of sorts between the National and All-American branches of what became DC Comics.  It would have been a little hard to start the JSA before issue #3 when Atom replaced "Red, White & Blue."  Issue #1 wold have been even more problematic.  Somehow Gary Concord Ultra-man would have had to have been fit in, in place of GL.  Note that Flash, GL, and Hour Man were replaced by other features from the same anthologies. 

Star Spangled and Sensation were on the scene too late to have their characters included, though Wonder Woman broke the rule (probably because the AA side actually produced All Star).

Note that the Seven Soldeirs of Victory were set up the same way -- one feature from each of the National side anthologies.  Green Arrow from More Fun, Vigilante from Action, Star Spangled Kid from SSC, Shining Knight from Adventure, and the Crimson Avenger from Detective. 

Imagine if they hadn't considered Superman and Batman too popular to use (or whatever their reasoning was.  We might have had:
Action: Superman
Detective: Batman
Star Spangled: Guardian
More Fun: Green Arrow
Adventure: Sandman or Starman (who were being dropped from JSA)

Once Guardian and the Adventure features were canceled, they might have added Aquaman, Johnny Quick, or Robotman.  J'onn J'onzz or even Captain Comet might have been added later.

I could easily have seen this comic outlasting All Star with the popularity of Superman and Batman.  It could have run continuously into the Silver Age.  Maybe Johnny Quick would have been featured in Showcase #4 and received his own comic (hopefully edited by Schwartz with art by Infantino).  Maybe Doll Man and/or Plastic Man would have been added to the lineup when DC bought Quality.  Gil Kane cold have been used on Doll Man and we'd have had an Atom comic years early. 

Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 03, 2010, 06:08:50 PM
Some interesting speculations Jon. I think the marketing helped the other anthology issues. If someone liked the character in All-Star they could pick up the anthology appearance. Given the number of cover appearances Hawkman made on Flash comics it is easy to imagine he would have been given his own book. He had great visual appeal, which went down when he lost the beak.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: Roygbiv666 on October 03, 2010, 06:18:59 PM
I thought the idea was to feature characters who didn't have their own books (although, the Flash had two, didn't he?).


For Nedor, I think only the FIghting Yank and Black Terror had their own books, the rest were in anthologies.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 03, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
Flash Comics was in one sense not really The Flash. That is why Hawkman was often on the cover
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: JonTheScanner on October 03, 2010, 09:41:33 PM
I thought the idea was to feature characters who didn't have their own books (although, the Flash had two, didn't he?).

Both Flash and Green Lantern were removed from the JSA when they got their own books.  Flash's solo book was All-Flash, not Flash Comics which was an anthology with Flash, Hawkman, Johnny Thunder, The King, The Whip and others over the years.  Wonder Woman got her book so fast she was made an honorary member (the status of Superman, Batman, Flash and GL) before being a member.  Only when National and All-American split for a while did Flash and GL return to full membership (Spectre, Dr Fate, Sandman, and Starman all had to go).
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: bchat on October 04, 2010, 06:48:15 AM
From Harvey Comics, I would have liked to have seen Captain Freedom, Black Cat, Shock Gibson, The Human Meteor, War Nurse, Red Blazer (the one from All-New Comics), The Wasp and The Red Demon team-up on a regular basis.

From MLJ, for a team I'ld pick Mr Justice, The Fox, Inferno, Firefly, Scarlet Avenger, Captain Flag, The Web and Black Jack.

For Quality I'ld go with The Ray, The Clock, Quicksilver, The Human Bomb, Phantom Lady, Alias The Spider, G-2 and The Jester.

From Centaur I would pick The Shark, Sparkler, The Owl, The Eternal Man, TNT, The Voice, The Marksman and Black Panther.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: darkmark (RIP) on October 04, 2010, 07:08:18 AM
Well, believe it or not, the Black Cat, Captain Freedom, Shock Gibson, Pat Parker and Ted Parrish DID team up for one Black Cat story in SPEED COMICS.  After that, they were a team in the Stories Behind the Cover in SPEED and were known as America's Star Heroes.  Similarly, Stan Lee teamed the All-Winners heroes in text stories before they appeared as the All-Winners Squad.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: bchat on October 04, 2010, 07:21:47 AM
Well, believe it or not, the Black Cat, Captain Freedom, Shock Gibson, Pat Parker and Ted Parrish DID team up for one Black Cat story in SPEED COMICS.  After that, they were a team in the Stories Behind the Cover in SPEED and were known as America's Star Heroes.  Similarly, Stan Lee teamed the All-Winners heroes in text stories before they appeared as the All-Winners Squad.

Yeah, I know that, but they (the Harvey characters) weren't a "team" in the same way that the JSA was.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 05, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
Atom        Crimebuster

Sandman      Daredevil
Doctor Midnight        Nightro is blind without glasses
Specter         Blackout
Flash    Silver Streak         
WW        Pat Patriot
Hawkman       Captain Battle with his jetpack
Doctor Fate     Spiritman
Johnny Thunder      Red Reeves Boy Magician 
Hourman          Mister Midnight   
Black Canary    The Wasp


Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: Roygbiv666 on October 05, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
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Once Guardian and the Adventure features were canceled, they might have added Aquaman, Johnny Quick, or Robotman.  J'onn J'onzz or even Captain Comet might have been added later.

I could easily have seen this comic outlasting All Star with the popularity of Superman and Batman.  It could have run continuously into the Silver Age. 

Then we might be in the odd position of the Martian Manhunter and Captain Comet being "Earth-Two" characters instead of "Earth-One". Weird.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: JonTheScanner on October 05, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
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Once Guardian and the Adventure features were canceled, they might have added Aquaman, Johnny Quick, or Robotman.  J'onn J'onzz or even Captain Comet might have been added later.

I could easily have seen this comic outlasting All Star with the popularity of Superman and Batman.  It could have run continuously into the Silver Age. 

Then we might be in the odd position of the Martian Manhunter and Captain Comet being "Earth-Two" characters instead of "Earth-One". Weird.

It wouldn't seem weird if it had happened that way, and I suspect under this scenario under which Johnny Quick and Doll Man are continued uninterrupted instead of a new Flash and Atom, we'd likely never have had an Earth -1 and 2. 
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 06, 2010, 03:48:33 AM
Pure speculation but fun. Having been introduced to comics in the SA I can not image not having those versions of my old friends. If no JLA to replace the JSA then no Fantastic Four ? Think of all the repurcussions of those pivotal decisions and how different might things be now.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: darkmark (RIP) on October 06, 2010, 04:38:06 AM
What about some names for the new teams?  Here are a couple of ideas:

Fox heroes - Foxforce (might be cued by the military alphabet Alpha, Bravo, etc., Fox being for F)
Ace heroes - The Avenging Aces
Lev Gleason - Freedom's Furies
Prize heroes - The Prize Patrol
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: John C on October 06, 2010, 05:01:25 AM
It wouldn't seem weird if it had happened that way, and I suspect under this scenario under which Johnny Quick and Doll Man are continued uninterrupted instead of a new Flash and Atom, we'd likely never have had an Earth -1 and 2. 

I've actually seen tiny hints as to what a Justice League might have looked like under similar conditions.  I mean, given that several titles were already being published, might Julie Schwartz have decided to revamp some of the marginal characters anyway?  And how often in Silver Age DC does the name "Jack B. Quick" show up, anyway...?

A long while back, I entertained myself by considering what might have happened if All-American Comics had died off, leaving the DC-side to continue All-Star alone without the other characters.  It was an interesting exercise to see who was available at different times, who might have had the market potential, and the likely effects on what we'd now call continuity.

Like, does Elastic Lad get farmed out to be Flash's glory-hound pal?  Since Robotman is a likely nod for the League, does the Martian Manhunter get shunted to the Doom Patrol?  If he does, what does that say about Mento or Beast Boy, who each have some obvious similarities to the multi-identitied Martian?

What about some names for the new teams?  Here are a couple of ideas:
Fox heroes - Foxforce (might be cued by the military alphabet Alpha, Bravo, etc., Fox being for F)
Ace heroes - The Avenging Aces
Lev Gleason - Freedom's Furies
Prize heroes - The Prize Patrol

Several Prize heroes did come together as the Crime Crushers to fight the not-Frankenstein-because-that's-the-doctor-but-we're-calling-him-that-anyway.  And Fawcett had both the Crime Crusaders Club (a real, though small, team) and the Squadron of Justice (populated by Marvel Family members).  And the Harvey group has already been mentioned, referred to as "America's Stars" or somesuch.

Gleason had the makings of a team, though unnamed, by teaming everybody (including the Claw) with Daredevil against Hitler.  The Novelty characters were likewise banded together at the request of Uncle Sam, though they didn't cross over.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: comicsnorth on October 06, 2010, 10:07:40 AM
Did the Prize characters actually call themselves the Crime Crushers?  I only remember them referring to themselves as "an Invincible Bunch of Guys".

-comicsnorth
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: Yoc on October 06, 2010, 02:26:07 PM
I personally called the collection of heroes in Prize Comics #24 'The Prize Fighters' but the term Crime Crushers was used but not as a name but as a description of the group.  An 'official name' was never really given.

Prize #25 is a book I've looong wanted to see scanned to see if there was a part 2 to the story.

-Yoc
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: RJBowman on October 06, 2010, 05:11:27 PM
According to Shelly Moldoff, Hawkman had a good chance of getting his own title except the war-time paper shortage shelved that idea.  By the time the war was over, super-heroes were in a decline.

But you're right All Star was specifically designed to have two features from each of Adventure, More Fun, Flash and All-American.  It was a joint venture of sorts between the National and All-American branches of what became DC Comics.  It would have been a little hard to start the JSA before issue #3 when Atom replaced "Red, White & Blue."  Issue #1 wold have been even more problematic.  Somehow Gary Concord Ultra-man would have had to have been fit in, in place of GL.  Note that Flash, GL, and Hour Man were replaced by other features from the same anthologies.

I had to look up that Ultraman to find out who he was. It would be interesting to create a team from some of DC's earliest heroes that are rarely heard of today. The afore-mentioned Ultraman might be joined by Doc Occult and others. If you want to cheat and include the Fawcett and Quality aquisitions, the Clock (Brian O'Brien) and Diamond Jack might join the team.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 06, 2010, 06:03:17 PM
As Roy did with the Liberty Legion at Marvel. They could put them on an alternative earth and have an annual crossover with the JSA. DC has done it with some of their Silver Age characters.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: Roygbiv666 on October 07, 2010, 04:41:01 PM
As Roy did with the Liberty Legion at Marvel. They could put them on an alternative earth and have an annual crossover with the JSA. DC has done it with some of their Silver Age characters.

Ahhh -- then you'd have a cover more like this one

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:JLA_v.1_21.jpg

where heroes from one earth (company) meet heroes from another.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: comicsnorth on October 09, 2010, 02:48:08 PM
Skipping back to "What If some other Golden Age Publisher had assembled the JSA?", here's my take on a Centaur line-up, based on DC/AA's "two heroes per anthology" line-up: from Amazing Mystery Funnies, Fantoman/Fantom of the Fair & Speed Centaur; from Keen Detective Funnies, Masked Marvel & Air Man; from Funny Pages, the Arrow & Mantoka (as near as I can tell, the latter is the only super-powered heroic character to appear in that title more than once, except for the Arrow); from Amazing-Man Comics, Amazing Man & Blue Lady; from Liberty Scouts, Man of War & Fire-Man; from Wham Comics, Blue Fire & Sparkler; from Stars & Stripes Comics, Iron Skull & the Shark; and from C-M-O Comics, Plymo & Star-Spangles Branner.

Whew--that seems like a lot of anthologies!

-comicsnorth
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on October 09, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
And Comicsnorth it seems like a lot more interesting than Dynamite's Superpowers. I have always favored teem books because the heroes had more chance for interaction. Now if we could get someone to write and draw a team based on our suggestions......
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: comicsnorth on October 10, 2010, 11:36:24 AM
Project: Superpowers seems to literally have more characters on the board than they know what to do with--I've always thought it would make more sense to just take the heroes of one company, like Alan Moore did with Terra Obscura, than to just scoop up everyone you can think of and "flash card" them thru a series without ever really developing most of them.

That said, I have enjoyed it when they have teamed up characters who originally shared the same book, like Silver Streak, (Dare)Devil & Ghost, or Skyman, Face, & Marvello, but that's still not enough to create the illusion of some sort of solid structure to the book <sigh>

comicsnorth
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on June 04, 2013, 06:41:09 PM
Yeah,I See what you mean.
I Saw a cover reproduction of brave and bold#28 featuring the JSA by bob Layton.
I Think alternate jsas comprised of characters from other publishers,and retro golden age heroes would be great.
I Also have one question:what else would have happened if the justice society of America had been revived in brave and bold#28?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on June 05, 2013, 09:52:11 AM
Interesting question great daddy. I extend that back to Showcase 4. What if DC had issued in the SA by reviving the GA characters instead of creating new. I think about the major revamp of THE NEW 52 and how old timers react. I suppose it must have been the same with Showcase 4. The outcry as to why did DC do this to my beloved Flash? I never considered it because the SA characters were the real world to me. Could DC have done the old GA characters in the new SA manner? Would it have been successful? Then BB28 could have revived the JSA as a team no just a comic of separate stories. DC did test the waters with Showcase 55-56 and B&B 61-62 but by then the new characters had become accepted.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on June 05, 2013, 10:03:51 AM
Interesting question great daddy. I extend that back to Showcase 4. What if DC had issued in the SA by reviving the GA characters instead of creating new. I think about the major revamp of THE NEW 52 and how old timers react. I suppose it must have been the same with Showcase 4. The outcry as to why did DC do this to my beloved Flash? I never considered it because the SA characters were the real world to me. Could DC have done the old GA characters in the new SA manner? Would it have been successful? Then BB28 could have revived the JSA as a team no just a comic of separate stories. DC did test the waters with Showcase 55-56 and B&B 61-62 but by then the new characters had become accepted.
Yes,I see what you mean,narfstar,if DC had issued in the silver age by reviving the golden age characters instead of creating new ones,it would have been successful.
Also,DC would have done the old golden age characters in the new silver age manner,and also revived the Fawcett and quality characters.
You make a very valid point.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on June 06, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
And another question:what else would have happened if the JSA had been revived in brave and bold#28?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on June 06, 2013, 05:40:24 PM
I take it your questions also included what if there had never been Earth2/Earth1 etc all. No crisis on infinite earths or reversing the crisis or the New 52. We would have essentially what the Marvel universe did with Superman and Batman being the same characters as they were in the 40's.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on June 06, 2013, 06:22:11 PM
I take it your questions also included what if there had never been Earth2/Earth1 etc all. No crisis on infinite earths or reversing the crisis or the New 52. We would have essentially what the Marvel universe did with Superman and Batman being the same characters as they were in the 40's.
Yes,that is the truth.However,earth-2 would have been inhabited by the Fawcett  and quality heroes.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: JonTheScanner on June 07, 2013, 10:48:37 AM
I take it your questions also included what if there had never been Earth2/Earth1 etc all. No crisis on infinite earths or reversing the crisis or the New 52. We would have essentially what the Marvel universe did with Superman and Batman being the same characters as they were in the 40's.
Yes,that is the truth.However,earth-2 would have been inhabited by the Fawcett  and quality heroes.

Maybe, but my guess is not.  The JSA sort of had to inhabit a separate earth to explain why there were two Flashes, two Atoms, two GLs, etc.  Even today it stretches credulity that the later heroes would adopt the old names. 

But leaving that aside. I suspect that not under Fox and Schwartz the twin Earths concept would not have been used. It was a classic SF meme which both of them knew well.  The later and alter into the Silver Age you go, though, the more and more mystical and less (pseudo)-scientific the background stories become.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on June 17, 2013, 07:46:53 PM
I take it your questions also included what if there had never been Earth2/Earth1 etc all. No crisis on infinite earths or reversing the crisis or the New 52. We would have essentially what the Marvel universe did with Superman and Batman being the same characters as they were in the 40's.
Yes,that is the truth.However,earth-2 would have been inhabited by the Fawcett  and quality heroes.

Maybe, but my guess is not.  The JSA sort of had to inhabit a separate earth to explain why there were two Flashes, two Atoms, two GLs, etc.  Even today it stretches credulity that the later heroes would adopt the old names. 

But leaving that aside. I suspect that not under Fox and Schwartz the twin Earths concept would not have been used. It was a classic SF meme which both of them knew well.  The later and alter into the Silver Age you go, though, the more and more mystical and less (pseudo)-scientific the background stories become.
Yes,I Agree with you on that one.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: darkmark (RIP) on June 17, 2013, 09:33:01 PM
One of the things that turned me on to Michael Moorcock's Elric, of all things, was the fact that the first book of his I read, Sailor on the Seas of Fate, teamed up four of the Eternal Champions from four of his series on four separate Earths.  It was like a sword-and-sorcery JLA-JSA teamup!
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on August 18, 2013, 02:17:56 PM
I Have an idea:let's create our own alternate JSAs using public domain and retro golden age heroes.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on August 18, 2013, 04:38:06 PM
Check through the thread and you will see suggestions
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on August 18, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
Check through the thread and you will see suggestions
I Just did that,thanks for reminding me.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on September 04, 2013, 08:03:16 PM
I had to revise this as I thought how about a all female PD Justice Society.

Black Canary - Black Orchid-Black Venus-Black CAt
Doctor Fate - Magician From Mars- Willow the Wisp
Hourman - Miss Victory- Golden Girl
Dr. Midnight - Phantom Lady-Zona-Lady Luck
Sandman - Spider Widow-Pat Patriot
Superman - Super Ann - Yankee Girl
Batman - Owl Girl-Veiled Avenger-Red Ann
Green Lantern - Nature Girl
Flash - Lightning Girl
Wonder Woman - Amazona-Wildfire-Diana the Huntress-Delecta-Nelvana-Athena
Wildcat - Pat Patriot - Tomboy-war nurse
Hawkman - Lustra-Rocket Girl-Bullet Girl
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: CharlieRock on September 16, 2013, 01:29:08 AM
We're kind of getting an alternate JSA being published now in the form of King's Watch (Dynamite) which will feature the top King Features heroes all together on one team. Much like the animated 80s cartoon Defenders of the Earth. If the comic book has the same cast as that old cartoon (and it looks so from the cover) then that would mean the main protagonists will be Flash Gordon, The Phantom, Mandrake, and Lothar.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: profpike on September 16, 2013, 11:02:20 PM
I'm new to the site-so I think I can come up with and Ace JSA is a couple weeks....

I know they aren't on here but a Timely JSA would probably be Cap, Torch, Namor, Blazing Skull, Angel, Vision, Patriot, and the Fin-or would that be All-Winners. Invaders, Liberty Legion, or Avengers?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on September 17, 2013, 06:08:36 PM
I'm new to the site-so I think I can come up with and Ace JSA is a couple weeks....

I know they aren't on here but a Timely JSA would probably be Cap, Torch, Namor, Blazing Skull, Angel, Vision, Patriot, and the Fin-or would that be All-Winners. Invaders, Liberty Legion, or Avengers?
Sounds great,I Can't wait to see that.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: CharlieRock on September 18, 2013, 12:00:26 PM
Thanks for posting your teams, guys. I 'reverse engineered' your teams to look for more super-hero comics of some guys I never heard of and had a snappy guide to who they most resemble of characters I did know already. :)
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on September 18, 2013, 01:53:41 PM
I was not impressed by Kings Watch and will not be adding it to my pull list
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: CharlieRock on September 18, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
I was not impressed by Kings Watch and will not be adding it to my pull list

It wasn't like the cartoon Defenders of the Earth?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on September 19, 2013, 09:18:54 PM
I did not like Defenders of the Earth so I did not watch it. I did not think it held the integrity of the characters very well.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on November 03, 2015, 05:15:36 AM
hi,guys,have you come up with any more ideas for alternate JSAs yet?
Sorry to ask.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: narfstar on November 06, 2015, 03:33:47 AM
Here is another go at it
FLASH Tornado Tom
GREEN LANTERN Volton
HAWKMAN Sparky Watts
BLACK CANARY Miss Mask
WONDER WOMAN Phantomah or Lady FAirplay
Dr MIDNIGHT Luckyman
ATOM  Buzz Balmer or Black Dwarf or Crash Kid
Dr Fate Kismet
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: great daddy on July 04, 2016, 11:23:24 AM
Wow,that is so cool.keep it up.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: SuperScrounge on July 05, 2016, 01:22:44 AM
Had an interesting thought. The original JSA was half DC & half All-American characters & I believe at one point DC & AA had a falling out and for a few issues All Star Comics had an all All-American line-up with no DC characters.

What if All-American & DC never reunited? What would DC do without the rights to the name Justice Society of America? Would they start putting Superman & Batman in the Seven Soldiers of Victory? Would they change the name of the group to the Law's Legionnaires so they could put in as many heroes as they could? What would happen to the Silver Age revival if DC didn't own The Flash to revive?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: TheCosmicMoth on July 05, 2016, 11:52:37 PM
SuperScrounge, I'm glad you brought that up. I had the exact same thought myself. Without the All-American characters, DC would be without Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, The Atom, and more. Assuming that DC progresses through the 50's in the exact same way and decides to reboot superhero comics for The Silver Age with a team of seven, you'd have to replace 3 of the big 7. DC would still have Superman, Batman, Aquaman, and The Martian Manhunter. To fill the last three spots, maybe they'd be forced to bring back Johnny Quick, Dr. Fate, and Liberty Belle to make up for The Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman respectively. They could've also reached out for Spectre, Hourman, or Sandman reboots.

Or... It might have put Green Arrow in the team's line-up from the beginning. That definitely would've made it seem like a new Seven Soldiers team. That could've lead to Shining Knight, Crimson Avenger, Star-Spangled Kid, or Vigilante reboots to fill out the team? Regardless, they would have to use Batman and Superman to bring readers to the team.

This might have also forced DC to create other characters sooner than they did. For instance, Supergirl might have received an earlier debut or, possibly, Zatanna. Maybe the Silver age Batwoman at Batgirl would've stuck around longer to make up for the lack of female heroes. Hell, maybe you would've seen Lois Lane become Superwoman.

So many possibilities!

The big 7 team that I would pick in this scenario would probably be: Superman, Batman, Supergirl, Johnny Quick, Dr. Fate, Aquaman, and The Martian Manhunter. I'd call them The Victory League... or something like that.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: comicsnorth on July 11, 2016, 08:56:01 AM
I don't think Supergirl would have made the Big Seven, not because she didn't (wouldn't have?) deserve it, but because the JLA (or more likely, Julius Schwartz) had a distinct bias against direct counterparts as members.  Not only would Supergirl have distracted from Superman's "specialness" on the team, but she'd have been much more difficult to deal with than Wonder Woman in the stories, since the Silver Age WW was much less powerful than the Kryptonians, and more easily dealt with by villains using gas or a well-timed blow to the head.  Personally, I think that either Elongated Man or Elastic Lad would have been the Seventh Member, but that wouldn't help with adding a woman to the team.  Assuming that the "anti-counterpart rule" would also keep Batwoman off the team, that doesn't leave much to pick from out of the female characters who actually existed in 1959/1960 DC.  But if we assume that the "Earth One" Johnny Quick & Dr. Fate debuted at the same times that the Silver Age Flash & Green Lantern did, and we further assume that, with no Hawkman, Zatanna would have made her first appearance in Dr. Fate's comic, she might have been available to serve as the token female JLAer.  Of course, it's probably more likely that Zatanna would have been introduced as Dr. Fate's teen sidekick, and been Wonder Girl's replacement in the eventual Teen Titans.  I can't really see a revival/reboot of Liberty Belle before the Bicentennial, but I suppose that depends on what kind of a sci-fi twist Schwartz & co. could come up with for her: a variation on the sonic power she wound up with in All-Star Squadron, or something more off beat, like the ability to transmute her body into bronze?
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: JonTheScanner on July 11, 2016, 07:39:46 PM
Apparently Gaines went to DC and asked either they buy him out of AA or they let him buy out DC.  So there's a wonderful write-up somewhere about the alternate history in which MC Gaines and AA buy out DC.  Green Lantern and Flash continue on into the Silver Age rather than Superman and Batman.  I can't recall wehre I saw it though.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: comicsnorth on July 12, 2016, 08:56:12 AM
Bob Rozakis wrote that, and it ran thru several issues of Alter-Ego and Back Issue magazines.  Oddly, it never really addressed Wonder Woman to any extent, as she was the only AA character to survive into the Golden Age.  Personally, I think that with Gaines in charge, she would have gotten more of a push than she did--after all, EC's only Super-hero was a thinly veiled clone of WW, Moon Girl, so he must have really liked the idea.
Title: Re: Alternate JSA
Post by: KevinP on August 11, 2016, 04:44:27 PM
The Atom, Hourman and Sandman may have been second stringers from anthology books, but The Flash and Green Lantern were the star features (and arguably Hawkman, since he alternated covers with Flash in FLASH COMICS. Also, characters who were in the same anthology title with each other were used: Doctor Fate and Spectre, Hourman and Sandman. The article that Jon mentioned appeared over several issues of ALTER EGO. I would suggest a Quality team with Plastic Man, Uncle Sam, Black Condor, The Ray, Kid Eternity, Phantom Lady, Hercules, Captain Triumph and Wildfire. One of my favorite publishers is ME, so I'd suggest The Avenger, Jet Powers, Strong Man, The Masquerader and possibly Cave Girl and Funnyman. For a Lev Gleason team, see DAREDEVIL BATTLES HITLER.