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Offline vaillant

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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 02:23:16 PM »
Of course. When I started reading Marvel comic books, at about age 9, I was fascinated by the style of John Buscema, Sal Buscema, Gil Kane, other artists which got hugely prominent in the 1970s. But as I discovered earlier issues of the Fantastic Four I was entirely drawn within their unique atmosphere. They have – I can’t explain better – almost a "mystical" quality, and the delicate alchemy has to be accredited to Stan Lee as well.
Jack alone was a giant, but his "Achilles heel" was a tendency to exaggeration, in ideas and occasionally in dialogues. Although I still think his second, late period on the SA "Captain America", and the Black Panther, have been heavily undervalued by certain comics criticism.

I’m sure you’d find Demon a fascinating read. He also did a pair of pretty original magazine-sized publications in the early 1970s, one dealing with the occult throughout history, and the other one with gangsterism, titled "In the days of the mob". :)

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 02:31:26 PM »
I’m sure you’d find Demon a fascinating read.

I second this. Demon is one of my all-time favorite characters.

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2012, 03:10:01 AM »
At one time I had both those magazines and I had a set of Demon.  It was good, might still be good.  When I got back into comics, Forever People, New Gods etc. had not long begun and I managed to find the early issues, second hand.  Loved them but mainly because they were different.  I quickly got fed up with Barda and those HUGE women, plus the art seemed to become looser and bigger.  The issues I have kept are the ones with g.a. reprints.  However, the silver age Captain America was and is excellent.  But then, I'm a Cap. fan. 
Reddition magazine looks extremely interesting.  It's frustrating because there are comics and albums in there that I have read and stuff I want to find out about but my German is very poor.  I noticed a mention of Misterix and it didn't look like any of the other characters of the same name that I know about.  O.K., forget that, it's an anthology mag. and it's landscape.   Just found some issues listed on ebay.
Kid gangs do seem a popular strand in comics of many countries.  I'm intrigued by the Jacovitti cover.  So here is the great D.D. Watkins giving us Lord Snooty and his pals duping Hitler:-
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Photos/Our-galleries/slideshow/91/dudley-d-watkins-lord-snooty-and-hitler.html
Just scroll along the pictures.
By the way, Paw Broon is the father in The Broons strip from The Sunday Post, by Dudley D. Watkins.
And here are some gorgeous Watkins panels:-
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Photos/Our-galleries/slideshow/92/treasure-from-the-archives-the-gems-of-dudley-d-watkins.html
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2012, 05:52:31 AM »
Teens like to read about teens. Even before comics there were plenty of book series. I am a fan of the Boy Allies series of books from WW1. Even though they were more young adults than boys. Bomba the Jungle Boy is also pretty good. You and I agree on not liking Kirby's big women Paw. It visually turned me off to his DC work. Watson, I hated Kirby's late period. Mainly because he had two not so powerful characters fighting cosmic events.

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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2012, 10:05:25 AM »
It took me a long time for Kirby and Ditko to grow on me.  Once I read the first adventures of Dr Strange and The X-Men I could see the the attraction.

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 11:09:23 AM »
Despite what I wrote above, I took to Kirby's FF right away.  It looked so good back then.  But what impressed me even more was Ditko on Spiderman.  That was the bees knees. To the extent that when his run finished, I sort of lost interest.  Ditko on Captain Atom and Blue Beetle was just as good, imo.  As I keep saying, our comics were different and we had very little exposure to American comics prior to 1960.  Interestingly, to me at any rate, I still love to read Ron Turner on Rick Random and Bill Lacey on Blackshirt, or Dan Dare or P.C.49 and many more rather than F.F. but those early Spideys still have that air of greatness about them. Also, the recent(ish) vols of Rip Kirby leave lots of other stuff choking on dust, they are just so good.
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 11:52:04 AM »
The first Spidey issues are very good Paw, but if you haven't seen the first Dr Strange stories in Strange Tales (debuted in Strange Tales #110) - get them!  Just mind blowing stuff!
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 12:53:06 PM »
I agree that Doc S was probably Ditko's best work. I do not like magic characters at all but those early Ditko's will still get my attention. I did not take as much to his Spiderman but love his Captain Atom. I liked Kirby up until his BIG WOMEN

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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 01:37:19 PM »
Never was and never will be into superheroes.

For me comic art is the european ALBUM:
Western by Jijé, Herman and Giraud
Funnies by Morris, Herge, Uderzo, Franquin
Fantasy by Moebius, Paape, Mèziéres and Bilal
Adventure by Herman, Jijé and Vance.

The franco-belgian masters. So what am I doing with American golden age comics?
Love the pure manic craziness of 50s comic books!
This is raw energy and wild creativity. And I think it is just around here that graphic art is truly unleashed.
It's a wonderful ride - from trash to art and back again.
A "Wundertüte" as we say in German (a "lucky bag"? bag of goodies?, doesn't seem to translate well)...
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2012, 12:11:51 PM »
Yes, but the majority of European comics are non-superhero fare.  That's why there are so many detectives, pirates, archers, spacemen and all those historical characters.
And how good to find someone talking about Jije', and not only his westerns - that's really good work.   While I love superheroes, I'm still very keen on many Euro. comics and albums and would add Corto Maltese, Le Scorpion and Masquerouge to your list. There's so much more but a list would take up the page.  But there are masked mystery men, costumed heroes and some genuine superheroes in British and European comics and most of them are virtually unknown in N.America.
Yoc, thanks for reminding me about Doctor Strange as I had forgotten it.  I used to have some of the Ditko then Brunner comics, but, no longer.  Seriously good art but perhaps I prefer Spidey and Cap. Atom because they aren't magical heroes.
Vaillant, I've been reading a Spanish book on comics, Apuntes para una Historia de los Tebeos, by Antonio Martin and they mention Superman who appeared in landscape comics and his name was changed to Ciclon el Superhombre.  I'm also sure Ciclon was in a weekly, Spanish anthology but as yet, I can't find the reference.  There is also a cover of Juan Centella, who is Dick Fulmine.
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2012, 01:49:40 PM »
Asterix the Gaul translated albums were always on file at my library.  From about grade 4 I started reading them all.  Those and the British GILES collections which went over my head but I loved the artwork and still do.

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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2012, 02:08:37 PM »
Asterix is rather good, isn't it?  I read the English translations because I couldn't read French then.  But Tintin I read initially in English but years later, the original
French.  About the same time I discovered Corto Maltese when we were on holiday in France. And I hope you've all read Les Celtiques/Le Celtiche.  If not here are paintings from a Pratt show:- http://www.gqitalia.it/show/lifestyle/2011/7/hugo-pratt-e-il-suo-corto-maltese-in-mostra-a-lugano
Ah, Giles (happy wistful, nostalgic sigh), the politics and situations are often very, very British so I get it on that level and the art is so good.  Try these pages if you don't already have them:- http://www.gilescartoons.co.uk/default.asp
http://www.cartoons.ac.uk/article/giles-origins-grandma
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2012, 02:56:13 PM »
Thanks for the link Paw.  Loved the Giles bio stuff.  Learned a lot about him there. 
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2012, 03:23:43 PM »
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Never was and never will be into superheroes.

@tilliban: I think that’s just because readers have become accustomed to perceive "superhero" as a genre. In fact, I think that as anything gets crystallized into a genre by criticism (you need to do that, wasn’t only for purposes of classification and historical placement), a side-effect is a reinforcement of impressions related to preconceptions. Without this, many preconceptions would never take hold so strongly. I am firmly convinced taste has an objective part to it, which can be clearly exposed, criticized, discussed, while of course there is a subjective element due to each one's sensibility.

@narfstar: we must also take into account a fundamental factor: the point in your life when you read a certain comic (or book).
It’s inevitable we get affectioned to certain things, which become part of our background and cultural development.
Personally, I find some of Kirby’s later work truly fantastic, although it has big weaknesses as well. I agree the slant on certain characterizations (and Big Barda is an example, which in my opinion makes Mr. Miracle the weaker of the titles, with due exceptions), but his late 1970s Cap and Black Panther are underrated for no serious reason.
It’s clear the early silver age stories have a specific quality, ineffable I would say, which makes them unique, but I think Jack’s storyline of the vibranium-related "disease" featuring Kiber the cruel is among one of the most thrilling and vaguely disturbing, since the Fantastic Four story arc of the "beehive" (my favorite).

@Paw: Back to the 1940s, I have to read the strip you linked. Do you know if there is some list of british comics dealing with WW2, nazism, national socialisms, et al (either in satire or serious stories)?
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Re: International Comics topic
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2012, 08:44:36 AM »
It's mostly nostalgia, let's be frank.
What one "discovers" in his youth, will stay with him forever.
And will be glorified.
I doubt that modern youth will take a liking to those (often crudely drawn) golden age classics.
Even I don't. That's why I start with the 50s.
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