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Art Spotting in general
JVJ (RIP):
He wasn't exactly a "quick study", Yoc,
he had the gene and just needed to focus it and learn some names.
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Yoc:
Ok. I'm still just as happy for him Jim.
If I have any of the gene it's as recessive as my hair line.
:)
bchat:
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--- Quote from: bchat on December 09, 2011, 11:11:23 AM ---I agree that quite a bit of memory is involved, but if someone has the desire to learn and is properly motivated, then they can learn how to identify (or least voice their opinion on) an uncredited story. If a person can tell the difference between a circle and a square, then they can learn, over time, how to tell the difference between one artist and another.
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I would LOVE for you to be right, bchat. I rarely see any evidence of it. When I met Tilliaban, he was already extrapolating the few Ace artists I'd identified for him into naming or trying to name the artists on other books. After a few hours it became evident that he didn't need me for anything except putting a name to a style. So there's the exception that proves the rule. Keep it up, Tillman!
I've been doing that for decades for all kinds of people in all kinds of venues, but I've yet to have someone tell me that my IDing, say, Warren Kremer on an Ace book has led to a mass of entries on GCD for other Kremer work in other issues or titles. It SHOULD! Studying a story by Kremer SHOULD lead to understanding his style (at least at that time) and to more attributions - IF you're right.
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Tilliban is a perfect example of what I'm saying: Any person who is motivated enough & has the patience to learn "the basics" can do this, or (again) at least reach a point where they're willing to voice their opinion on uncredited artwork.
If people aren't interested in identifying something that, for example, an artist like Warren Kremer may have drawn, no amount of credits on GCD is going to change that. Additionally, not everybody thinks or learns in the same way, so one person's way of teaching may be the perfect way for one person to learn from and yet, at the same time, be a nightmare to understand for someone else. Sure, someone may take to it rather quickly, but that's probably due to how that individual thinks rather than an indication of what people are able to learn.
What I'm trying to say (I think ... I've been fighting a headache all day) is that it's not that people can't learn this or that only certain people are capable of learning "art spotting", it may simply be that some people that want to learn don't know how to start. An "Artist Identification Lesson File" (adding the "Lesson" to be more clear what the file would be used for) makes an easy & quick starting point on the road to education, and at the same time, someone can figure-out if this is even something they want to do. From there, a person can contact others, check-out websites like GCD, a blog devoted to individual artists and so on.
JVJ (RIP):
Sorry about the headache, bc,
I know what that's like. Don't envy you a bit.
And I still hope that you're right. Outside of Tilliban, in 40 years I've not seen anyone pick up art styles and use them to ID other work. John Benson does it a little, but mostly on small sub-set of artists. I've NEVER been able to "train" anyone. And wouldn't try. I personally think it's pointless, but that's just my opinion. Your opinion is that people can learn. We'll have to agree to disagree.
As I said, you have high hopes and want you to be right. I'll be patient and wait and see what happens. Let's start by asking the group how many of you WANT to learn to be Art Spotters?
Simple question and a base point for figuring out what works and what doesn't.
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narfstar:
I see both sides. I don't know why certain artists jump out at me that have not been frequently identified and others look more generic to me. Why when I saw a Boris Karloff and knew that I had seen that style on Prof. Harbinger and I was right it was Mel Crawford. I think it is a mixture of both talent and exposure. With enough exposure more talent may show be developed. I will be starting an artists files on GAC to aid with art id.
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