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Yoc:
You might want to check that URL Narf.

larrytalbot:
Jack Kirby & Early Captain Marvel Panels:

Thanks! everyone for all your info on Kirby. It cleared up a long standing question in my mind about the odd early Cap Marvel artwork attributed to Kirby.

SRCA1941: Your pointing out that Briefer inked Kirby's pencils. It looks like he took broad liberties in his inking & knowingly or unknowingly transformed Kirby art into a hybrid Briefer art. (Possibly under the pressure of the big workload mentioned by Josemas). Yes, I do see more Briefer than Kirby in those panels!

Yoc: The Simon-Kirby blog you steered me to had early examples of Kirby pencils that looked nothing like the anomalous Cap Marvels that had long confused me about Kirby.

JVJ: Jim, I'm not very knowledgeable about the artists. I just enjoy reading comic books. The question I raised seemed pertinent to this thread & the answers I got cleared up the issue for me.  From those odd Cap Marvel panels attributed to Kirby I had mistakenly assumed that Simon was the more seasoned artist. But, after seeing early Kirby artwork, I now realize that he was at least par with Simon. Your own statement (reply #22 Dec 6) is an apt summation:
"The Capt. Marvel job is an anomaly and in no way indicates the capabilities of either artist."

Thanks!

josemas:

--- Quote from: JVJ on December 06, 2011, 01:53:11 PM ---
My thoughts on this are: why do we need a file on Matt Baker when we've got DCM and GCD to give us the information? Search for Matt Baker sorted by Date in GCD and then go look on DCM for what you find. Voila, you've got the info. I think we're past that sort of duplicating effort. If people want the info, it's there for them.

What we "need" is not for everybody to be able to identify well-known artists - I think that's pretty much been done, or can be done by anyone who's interested - but some way to put names to styles that haven't been I.D.'d.

Another approach would be to post a couple of pages of an unknown artist every day and get input on what people are seeing or think they are seeing.

My efforts want to focus on adding MORE names to the lexicon or comics or adding more credits to little known artists. YMMV.

Peace, Jim (|:{>


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Well I used Baker as an example because most people (certainly the people on this forum anyway) are familiar with him but the concept could just as easily be used on less well known artists.  Having files with concentrations of known examples of any artist's work divided by years will give people a chance to more quickly familiarize themselves with that particular artist.
Yes one can go through GCD and then DCM or GAC in tracking down artists but I think that this would help speed up the process of being able to art spot particular artists.

Certainly agree with you that trying to put names to the many unknowns is desirable and the artist file concept could be used this way too- only applying the sort of nicknames that you and Hames used to the files.  Maybe then as more people become familiar with these "unknown's" styles it will increase the chance of someone eventually finding an obscure pulp or slick or whatever that the same artist signed and thus giving us a name to go with the "unknown".

Best

Joe

Yoc:
Hi gang,
I'd like to welcome any artist collections on DCM.
And this might be another good way to share scans of any Mystery Artist's work as well.
Just collect and create a file and upload just as always but put them in the Archives and Collections section with a name like 'Mystery Artist #xx' and inside the description area list which books all the scans came from when known.

Just a thought.
-Yoc

JVJ (RIP):
I certainly agree that there's great value in collecting scans of individual artists over time, Joe. I'm not sure that the GCD/DCM Viewer approach is all that time-consuming (I use it ALL the time), but that is a personal preference because I want to see the entire strip, not a selected page or two.

Yoc's post with the links to the viewer files are a simple compromise, BUT you would need BOTH because I would imagine that the main use of the scans would be to help someone identify a story that they don't know who drew. To learn how to recognize an artist, I'd vote for the GCD/DCM approach.

To match up a style you're looking at (e.g. possibly George Mandel on chapter one of Daredevil vs Hitler for example), and Eric hadn't given us George Mandel's name, how does one go about using the tool we'd be creating with these example scans? That's the key question.

Yes, collecting scans from known artists over time is fantastic.
Yes, collecting examples of unknowns over time is fantastic, too.
And how do we go from those scans to matching up a comic story with a sample scan? The more samples we collect of more artists over more years just gives us a whole slew of pictures to plow through hoping for a match that we can identify.

It would be an incredible tool for learning the styles of artist - IF you can remember them. And it would be an incredible tool for finding who did an unsigned story - IF you can remember the style and connect it to the name. No matter how you look at it, it requires a great deal of memory as well as the ability to distinguish between mannerisms and style points.

I don't want to put a damper on this project, but I'd hope we can think it through before rushing off to make a million scans. What are your thoughts on how it would/could be used? The patterns of use will help determine how it should function/look.

Yoc - again, I question how one gets from the scan you're looking to identify to the scan someone has posted as 'Mystery Artist #xx'? Other than flipping through dozens (hundreds?) of scans, how can it function? Think of what functionality we're trying to implement and how we can/will use it.

my 2¢

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