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CENTAUR and such...
Guardian7:
Case of the Missing Heir is a real gem of a story to me.
In part because it is done by Bob Kane... but also because it is a decent story.
I actually colorized the main character and his girlfriend... I think the Butler too.
Yeah it really isn't hard if someone isn't doing the research or asking the right people to unintentionally screw up a historical aspect of that mystifying comics group.
Did you post anything for them to make the proper corrections to the article Bchat?
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Just so everyone knows... I love Kirby emulators... I see absolutely nothing wrong with admiring a style so much that your style becomes similar to the person you admire. Especially if it makes the artist feel good (and of course how could fans not appreciate it?).
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Yes my CSC post is bearing a little fruit. I am sure when time permits for some of the guys they were lend an even greater hand. They certainly have helped in showing posts or articles concerning the history. Which is pretty whirlwind at best.
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Rik Offenberger is a great artist. From the moment I saw his stuff on the cover of the first FF I knew I was going to like his stuff and designs. Very talented artist. The Comic aspect beginning of FF is a pure joy to watch.
I will have to check out his site when I get some time.
Again... and I know I say this a lot.
Thanks for all the help guys!
Les or G7...
bchat:
--- Quote from: Guardian7 on September 28, 2010, 03:43:01 PM ---Yeah it really isn't hard if someone isn't doing the research or asking the right people to unintentionally screw up a historical aspect of that mystifying comics group.
Did you post anything for them to make the proper corrections to the article Bchat?
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Honestly, I don't feel it's worth the time trying to contact them to tell them how wrong everything they said regarding "Centaur Comics" is. Placing Bob Kane as the head of Centaur when all he did was one story for Mahon & Cook before going-on to work for Wheeler-Nicolson shows me that they don't really care too much about being accurate in any way. It seems likely to me that they repeatedly use Kane's name for "keyword" purposes, so that their site will show-up in results when people are searching Google & other search engines.
The problem I see with a lot of "The History of Centaur Comics" articles I've seen is that people are simply repeating what someone else has already written without doing any research of their own. In the case of the Hillman site, they didn't even appear to do that, and instead just started making stuff up to suit their needs. It's kind of pointless for me to try to correct them when they don't seem to care to begin with.
--- Quote ---Just so everyone knows... I love Kirby emulators... I see absolutely nothing wrong with admiring a style so much that your style becomes similar to the person you admire. Especially if it makes the artist feel good (and of course how could fans not appreciate it?).
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I don't think there's anything wrong with drawing in Kirby's style at all, as I'm sure most (if not all) artists start-out copying someone else's style before finding their own way of doing things.
Guardian7:
Well that is said that they would simply drop Kane's name just for a "Keyword" or "Tag" just for Google or whatever search engine they are using.
There certainly are MORE artists worth "tagging" than Kane (and that is by no means any sort of insult - As stated previously I LOVE "Case of the Missing Heir" by Kane). But he only did one story by all my research... and that doesn't make him a strong contributor to Pre-Centaur or Centaur.
I still think you should send some sort of memo to them stating that maybe they should at least read this incredibly accurate article by Howard Keltner. Who as stated by others did a great service with this life long project..."
http://www.twomorrows.com/alterego/media/Golden%20Age%20Index.pdf
Well repeating what others say about the "The History of Centaur Comics" is not bad. Just so long as who they are quoting is accurate.
Not familiar with the Hillman site by simple name. But if they are continuing to mire and ink blot the "True" history of Centaur. Then that is a damn shame and likely VERY important historical aspects will be lost or caught behind the garbage they spew if indeed they are simply making stuff up to suit their needs. Plus... they should care. Someone at one time worked very hard on the stuff they are causing possible misdirection with... AGAIN... Damn shame!
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I have a tendency to somewhat emulate Byrne and Perez. If I could completely emulate either of them I most certainly would. but as you say a person's own style starts to show through.
Kieth Giffin was a GORGEOUS Kirby emulator (at his career beginning). His Defenders (Marvel) issues are my ALL-TIME Favorites in that series run. Plus it didn't hurt that he had the ever talented Klaus Jansen on the inking helm! Just beautiful stuff!
Phil Jimenez is a perfect example of a Perez emulator who went one step further. I actually think that Phil renders faces better than George.
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Well that is it for now.
Other than...
Still plugging away at working on the Centaur website and my Online Centaur Comic.
I am still working on an Intro to my Centaur Site and the History section is likely going to have to wait while I mire my way through the maze that IS the History of Centaur.
I have most of the Amazing Man profile done up with some nice word balloon/story box-less pics (Though I still haven't decided if I want to do a complete listing of all of his villains off his profile or do a separate "BRING ON THE BAD GUYS!" thing... which is standard).
Blue Lady's profile is close to complete. only because I felt Centaur needed a female representative and since she is Centaur's pretty much stand out alone Heroine that I should spotlight her first above others (NOTE: Super-Ann is basically costume-less and more stumbling across adventure and being less of an actual crime fighter).
The site will likely spotlight the characters I absolutely know first. Unfortunately with characters like Arrow, Fantom, Masked Marvel and a few obscure ones. I do not at this time have what I feel is enough accurate info to do a full profile (as I do with characters like Airman, Amazing Man, Blue Lady etc). Though they will get one and it will list the basics (Such as I do have Arrow #1 & #3 so I do know the character). I would just hate to miss something important that got lost in the shuffle of me not having certain stories. I do not have a lot of stories by them, so I would rather stay dry accurate then enthusiastically wrong.
I have all of the comics names listed and their dates. Though I doubt I am going to do a Cover section (as I can just refer them to GCD - for the record I do have all the covers on disk just in case a site like GCD folds - "doubtful!").
I have a decent Host site so that is good.
Plus likely when I get my Centaur Online Comic going I will probably make a duplicate site dedicated to the heroes in my features and the changes/alternations I have made or had to make to them. Which will be listed in Bold Lettering that I made said changes and that they are my own and not historically a part of the character (Such as the Protectors stuff from Malibu is) That way NO ONE in their right mind takes what is on that site as fact in relation to the ACTUAL history of whatever PD character I decide to use. Because unfortunately some modifications to stories are going to have to be done in order for it to make a bit of sense (Such as a less destroyed New York from the Shark feature or a retrofitting of the Amazing Man story where Pearl Harbor is destroyed - at the time of the story's writing... Japan wasn't our enemy... and even up until they surprise attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec 7 1941).
All of that is of course something for an entirely different post. Which I should at least get a comic online before I start blatting about it.
So that's it for now.
Cya
G7/Les
bchat:
--- Quote from: Guardian7 on September 29, 2010, 12:05:12 PM ---I still think you should send some sort of memo to them stating that maybe they should at least read this incredibly accurate article by Howard Keltner. Who as stated by others did a great service with this life long project..."
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I'ld be more interested in spending my time helping someone who wants to get it right, rather than waste time with people who simply don't care.
--- Quote ---Well repeating what others say about the "The History of Centaur Comics" is not bad. Just so long as who they are quoting is accurate.
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The problem is that people are quoting the same stories over and over. They see something somewhere, write an article, that article gets quoted (or misquoted) on a website, which in turn gets quoted somewhere else and the whole thing spirals out-of-control without anyone along the way saying "this piece of information right here might not be right, maybe I should check this out". For example, anytime I see the name "Fred Gardner" noted as being the owner or co-owner of Centaur, I know someone didn't do any homework at all and are just repeating what they read somewhere else.
--- Quote ---Not familiar with the Hillman site by simple name. But if they are continuing to mire and ink blot the "True" history of Centaur. Then that is a damn shame and likely VERY important historical aspects will be lost or caught behind the garbage they spew if indeed they are simply making stuff up to suit their needs. Plus... they should care. Someone at one time worked very hard on the stuff they are causing possible misdirection with... AGAIN... Damn shame!
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To be fair, I hit upon the Hillman site on (something like) page 20 of a Google search, so they're not popping-up right away when people are looking for info on the Centaur group of books.
--- Quote ---I have a tendency to somewhat emulate Byrne and Perez. If I could completely emulate either of them I most certainly would. but as you say a person's own style starts to show through.
Kieth Giffin was a GORGEOUS Kirby emulator (at his career beginning). His Defenders (Marvel) issues are my ALL-TIME Favorites in that series run. Plus it didn't hurt that he had the ever talented Klaus Jansen on the inking helm! Just beautiful stuff!
Phil Jimenez is a perfect example of a Perez emulator who went one step further. I actually think that Phil renders faces better than George.
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Giffen sprang to my mind when I was thinking of Kirby-like artists, although he's far removed from that style now. Jimenez, Perez & Jose Garcia-Lopez all have a simlar enough style that I couldn't tell them apart with only a quick glance.
--- Quote ---Still plugging away at working on the Centaur website and my Online Centaur Comic.
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Looking forward to seeing both.
--- Quote ---I am still working on an Intro to my Centaur Site and the History section is likely going to have to wait while I mire my way through the maze that IS the History of Centaur.
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I'm sure someone out there knows more than I do, but if there are any questions you have that I could answer, I'ld be happy to help-out a little.
--- Quote ---Blue Lady's profile is close to complete. only because I felt Centaur needed a female representative and since she is Centaur's pretty much stand out alone Heroine that I should spotlight her first above others (NOTE: Super-Ann is basically costume-less and more stumbling across adventure and being less of an actual crime fighter).
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Don't forget "Jane, The Magician From Mars", the company's first superheroine, appearing in the early issues of Amazing-Man Comics 7-11. Martin Filchock, Super-Ann's creator, seemed (to me at least) to be geared more towards light-hearted adventure. Perhaps had he been able to continue working on Super-Ann for a few more months or another year, she would have progressed into more of a crime-fighting sidekick of Mighty Man.
--- Quote ---I have all of the comics names listed and their dates. Though I doubt I am going to do a Cover section (as I can just refer them to GCD - for the record I do have all the covers on disk just in case a site like GCD folds - "doubtful!").
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The GCD is ok for covers, but you could easily provide better images by using the Heritage auction site or grabbing pictures from eBay auctions, the Collector's Society's Centaur thread and DCM's files. My thought is that if people are going to go to this site because it focuses on Centaur, they might want to see a decent cover gallery, too, without being directed away to another site.
Guardian7:
I find Jane the Magician from Mars to be insanely erratic... and I have a hard time getting through it (I have mind you).
I don't consider her to be a deep part of the Heroic side of Mystery Men as I see her more as a Alternate Earth kind of... whatever she is... Sci-Fi chick. Aside from the fact that she is (X-MEN: Phoenix level) over powered.
She is my LEAST favorite Chara from the Centaur line and though I will do a profile on her (as I have her entire story run)... She is not high on my list for getting at. Super-Ann will appear before her and I'd likely put Dopey Day up before her. HEH!
I actually have to say Magician from Mars is probably in my opinion the worst series to appear in all of Centaur books.
The Iron Skull seems to bounce around from the future 50s back to the Forties. Which is odd... but I will do the best I can with him. He I think had THE BEST and most diverse villains.
Well... for some reason my Helvictia font has disappeared from my computer and I can't seem to read the Golden Age Index I have... dunno what happened to it... Odd that!
G7/Les
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