Dan Adkins

[BobS]

I remember an article in (if mem. serves) Gary Groth's 1960s fanzine (Fantagraphics?) showing Atkins Submariner panels side-by-side with swiped Russ Manning art.

Despite Adkins' early swiping, he was a decent inker.
Is he still an active comic book pro?

And I don't remember any claims that his Tower work was copied.

Jack Kirby, I believe, swiped from everywhere!
His Demon face was swiped from Hal Foster's Prince Valiant, right?

And I still believe Spider-Man was inspired by S&K's (Archie's) the Fly.
Spider eats fly. Fly originally was an orphan.

And of course Archie's the Fly was INSPIRED by the Fly movie. Doesn't matter that the movie was horror. The comic had advantage of name recognition from the movie.

As Marvel monster comics were inspired by Shock Theatre and Famous Monsters.
As Hulk face was inspired by Boris Karloff's Frankenstein's monster.
As romance comics were inspired by romance mags.

Comic book artists generally keep swipe files, right?

Nothing is created in a cultural vacuum.

Bob
Public Enemy #1

[Geo (RIP)]

Check here for some info on him Bob: http://lambiek.net/artists/a/adkins_dan.htm

Geo

[BobS]

Check here for some info on him Bob: http://lambiek.net/artists/a/adkins_dan.htm

Geo

Thanks, that page mentions Sata.

Here's another link to an Adkins interview:
http://twomorrows.com/comicbookartist/articles/14adkins.html

[BobS]

More Dan Adkins:
http://twomorrows.com/alterego/articles/08adkins.html

Sata and Bill Pearson:
http://www.firststrategy.com/claudehall161.htm
http://black2com.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html

Sata cover:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7zKtDPMZ7xw/RySg4sJUS4I/AAAAAAAAAUs/ar7osZk7vQI/s1600/sata%2Billustrated.bmp

Bob

[BobS]

The 1960s Gary Groth fanzine showing panels of Dan Adkins (Submariner) swipes beside the corresponding Russ Manning source panels was Fantastic Fanzine.

http://comicattack.net/2009/10/is-3-fantastic-fanzine-10/
"Gary Groth started publishing Fantastic Fanzine in 1967 when he was 13 years old."

I'm not crusading against Adkins. As far as I'm concerned the swipes were no big deal.

Bob
Public Enemy #1

[JVJ (RIP)]

Um, I just checked FF #10, Bob, and there is no such comparison/article therein.

Memory doesn't serve, again.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[JonTheScanner]

And I still believe Spider-Man was inspired by S&K's (Archie's) the Fly. Spider eats fly. Fly originally was an orphan.

I read somewhere -- Simon's book perhaps -- that the Fly they did for Archie was based on an earlier unpublished character, the Silver Spider. And that Kirby did at least the visuals of his version of Spider-Man on the Silver Spider.  He could, of course, have made the original suggestion to Lee as well.

Searching a bit turned up this

http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/1902

Apparently the Silver Spider did not involve Kirby.

[darkmark (RIP)]

Greg Theakston did a whole well-researched article on Spider-Man's origins in an old ish of PURE IMAGINATION, but I don't have the copy anymore.

[OtherEric]

I've always liked Adkins work.  If nothing else- and there's quite a lot else- he was one of the best of Wood's collaborators.

[BobS]

Um, I just checked FF #10, Bob, and there is no such comparison/article therein.

Memory doesn't serve, again.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

Did I say it was in FF#10? I don't think so.
Do you have all the earlier issues?
If so, look thru them and I believe you'll find the Adkins swipes.

If memory serves, FF was published in Northern VA. Here in my home state.

Bob
Public Enemy #1

[BobS]

I've always liked Adkins work.  If nothing else- and there's quite a lot else- he was one of the best of Wood's collaborators.

I liked Adkins' work too.
Even with his swiping of Manning on Submariner, I don't recall the story flow suffering, as I would expect of excessive copying.
And didn't Adkins ink some Barry Smith Conan? (JVJ would know -- he knows almost everything.)
I loved the original Roy Thomas - Barry Smith Conans. (& yes I know John Guinta did a Conan story or 2 much earlier than the Marvel Conans.)
Dan Adkins also did at least on cover for Warren, Eerie if mem. serves. (JVJ would know - he knows almost everything, even which comic book artists are OBJECTIVELY/inarguably the most significant.)

Bob
Public Enemy #1

[BobS]

Jim,
What was the full name of MCR, the fanzine with your article on Adkins swipes?
I don't recall ever seeing it.

I admit that my memory ain't what it used to be.

I bought fanzines mostly in the 1960s up to about 1970, and I traded a lot of my old fanzines to Bob Lewis.
Bob Lewis and his wife Kathy own the Richmond Book Store now. Bob was chief Batmanian for VA back circa 1965, and published Scratchez in the early 1980s.
Previous owner of Richmond Book Store was a Mr. Gilligan who I believe was the grandfather of Vince Gilligan (X-Files).
Here in Richmond, Tom Long published Graphic Showcase - with early art by Michael Kaluta and Bernie Wrightson ("Uncle Bill's Barrel") - and a one-shot zine that reprinted
Basil Wolverton Spacehawk etc. large poster size.
Mike Cody here in Richmond did Capt. Space comics for a kids' magazine, and Cody also did Graphic Showcase and a tiny bit of art in Kaluta's Shadow #1.

Bob
Public Enemy #1

[JVJ (RIP)]

It was "Modern Collector's Review", Bob,
and was actually published in 1969 - my memory is also not to be trusted, it seems.

John Giunta did "Crom the Barbarian", not Conan, in Avon's Out of this World Adventures.

Dan Adkins did three Warren covers:
Eerie 9 & 12
Creepy 12

Adkins inked Smith/Windsor-Smith on these Conan stories:
The Coming of Conan
Conan the Barbarian / story / 20 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #1
October 1970    Marvel
"The Lurker Within (adapted from REH story ""The God in the Bowl"")"
Conan the Barbarian / story / 20 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #7
July 1971    Marvel
Hawks from the Sea
Conan the Barbarian / story / 20 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #19
October 1972    Marvel
The Black Hound of Vengeance
Conan the Barbarian / story / 20 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #20
November 1972    Marvel
The Monster of the Monoliths (inspired by REH story 'The Black Stone')
Conan the Barbarian / story / 20 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #21
December 1972    Marvel
The Coming of Conan
Conan the Barbarian / story / 20 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #22
January 1973    Marvel
The Shadow of the Vulture
Conan the Barbarian / story / 21 pages    Conan the Barbarian (1970 series) #23
February 1973    Marvel

and ALL I "know" is how to use GCD, Bob. Just go to www.comics.org and click "Advanced Search" to get real answers to questions that you've been wondering about. No need to speculate or even try to remember. I sure as hell don't. Not when there's a definitive resource like GCD available.

You can stop guessing and look it up.

As for "significant" comic artists, I'll be happy to debate my choices any time you wish. All I ask is that things stay objective.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[JVJ (RIP)]

Um, I just checked FF #10, Bob, and there is no such comparison/article therein.

Memory doesn't serve, again.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

Did I say it was in FF#10? I don't think so.
Do you have all the earlier issues?
If so, look thru them and I believe you'll find the Adkins swipes.

If memory serves, FF was published in Northern VA. Here in my home state.

Bob
Public Enemy #1

Apparently, Bob, I misinterpreted the intention of your link right below the statement regarding Fantastic Fanzine. It's pointing to a cover of FF #10.

And, no, I have no earlier issues prior to 10, but I'm the kind of guy who likes to have facts - as I know just how fallible my memory has become. So I just called Gary Groth and he remembers the MCR article, the magazine's editor John McLaughlin, and "the shitstorm that article caused". He also said that it was, at the time, a "major revelation" to him and that he, to his regret, never covered the story in Fantastic Fanzine.

Sorry, but the horse's mouth has spoken.

Peace, Jim (|:{>

[RJ Bowman]

Found this link in regard to the Silver Spider:
http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/1902

This site says that the character was created by C.C. Beck and Joe Simon and the first script was by Simon/Kirby scribe Jack Oleck. The the character had a close lineage, and similar origin to Captain Marvel. There was a paperback collection of Archie Fly comics a couple of years ago that went into some detail.

If you read the Archie Fly origin and the Spider-Man origin, you can see the similarities that must have been inherited from the original Silver Spider that was father to both. Most striking is that both characters are orphans that are cared for by elderly couples. In the Fly origin a young boy finds a magic ring that teleports him to a magic realm where he meets an ancient insect man that gives him the power to transform into an adult superhero with insect powers; similar to Captain Marvel visiting Shazam at the Rock of Eternity. Strip out the Captain-Marvel-inspired magical elements, and replace them with Ditkoesque pseudo-science, and you have Spider-Man.