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Holyoke is a Myth...
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
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--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 11:36:39 PM ---By the way, does anyone have a copy of Speed #s 12 or 13? And does either have an Ownership Statement?
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Speed Comics # 11 was published by Brookwood in "August" 1940 (possibly released in June or July, no earlier than May), issue # 12 was published by Speed Publishing Co in "March" 1941 (actual release may have been January or February, no earlier than December 1940), with # 13 following in "May". It looks like the Statement of Ownership form was usually filed in October, but since nobody was publishing Speed Comics at that point, the Statement may not have been filed for 1940.
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The Champ[ion] Comics statement for October 1940 appeared in issue #12, cover-date Februrary 1941. Speed #12 was cover-date March 1941 so may well have a statement, assuming Speed was on the same cycle. Although it started two months earlier. The first Champion issue was cover-dated December 1939 so was probably released in October, making October 1940 its one-year mark. But there was that huge gap in Speed Comics, so if there's a first-year statement at all it would most likely be in #12. There is a scan on this site but it does not include any text pages :-( I realize in some cases the scans are from some other scanning effort long ago and we're lucky to have them at all, but it's so frustrating when people leave out those pages. This scan is 65 pages though, so the inside front and inside and outside back covers would bring it to 68, which seems very odd as you need the two pages of text for 2nd-class mail. I just flipped through the whole thing and I don't *think* I missed text pages...
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 11:36:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: fox_centaur on April 07, 2010, 11:21:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 11:04:56 PM ---I didn't ask about "feld" or "field" - the site lists "Rosefeld" (no N). It that a typo or does the indicia spell in without the "N"?
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Sorry, missed that and had been reading the feld/field discussion recently so it was on my mind :-)
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 11:04:56 PM ---Quinlan certainly continues to produce Catman, but what evidence is there for Temerson's continued involvement? I've seen the Ulmer letter, and my take on it is not that Ulmer is saying that Temerson is at Holyoke. Unless you know of another letter, I'm still very leery of placing Temerson the man at Holyoke the publisher.
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Reading over this one (it was posted while I was writing my previous reply) I agree that it doesn't make a case for Temerson involved in the titles at Holyoke. He may have been, or he may have been shut out until he managed to get them back for Et-Es-Go. The only clear thing is that editorially/creatively there is continuity.
thanks,
-henry
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Absolutely an editorial connection, Henry.
I've never doubted that. I try to be very careful with words when discussing this topic as it's been bandied about for decades with much misunderstanding and misinformation being given and taken as fact. So please understand that I'm just trying to be a stickler for the details when I question these things.
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Which I very much appreciate. I'm trying to also be precise, but sometimes fail :-P
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 11:04:56 PM ---And ps, does Rosefeld have the N or not?
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At this point I'm not sure. The last email I checked on gcd-main did not, so I'm wondering if I mentally fabricated it by accident. I don't have time this morning to go through the archives and do a properly close reading, I'm afraid.
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 07, 2010, 11:04:56 PM ---pps.
--- Quote ---"Lex Publications," 381 Fourth Avenue, which superseded "Ultem" and "Resolute Publications", is in its turn out.
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What does "is in its turn out." mean?
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Bob's going to have to explain that. I think that means that Lex Publications, like the previous two, ceases to be used and is replaced by yet another company or companies (Brookwood/Tem/Nita).
thanks,
-henry
JVJ (RIP):
Yes, Henry,
That was Hames' thinking, too. If there is an OS for the early Speeds, it would be in issue 12. I own Champ #12 and we extrapolated the possible existence of the corresponding OS in Speed. I'm hoping that Bud Plant might have a copy and be able to review the contents for me looking of an OS. I'll keep you posted.
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Bob Hughes:
It's Rosefeld on the first issue and Rosefield on the second issue, according to Frank Motler.
"Bob,
Per FMI, it's Rosefeld on PAS #1.
http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/t1184.htm
This changes to Rosefield, #2 on.
regards, frank m."
FMI I presume means Fiction Mags Index.
No "n" either time.
Temerson's status at Holyoke is still up in the air pending confirmation from somewhere.
"is in it's turn, out" is a quote from the Writer's Digest article. Have to ask them exactly what it means, but I concur with Henry's guess.
Henry Andrews (fox_centaur):
--- Quote from: JVJ on April 08, 2010, 11:07:31 AM ---Yes, Henry,
That was Hames' thinking, too. If there is an OS for the early Speeds, it would be in issue 12. I own Champ #12 and we extrapolated the possible existence of the corresponding OS in Speed. I'm hoping that Bud Plant might have a copy and be able to review the contents for me looking of an OS. I'll keep you posted.
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Thanks, Jim! BTW when I was quoting from Champ #12 I didn't mean to lecture you on a comic you had already examined, but I figured not everyone knew the full context of the OS there- it's particularly interesting how the indicia and OS provide two snapshots of Greenwald acquiring the title from Worth. The fact that there was (however briefly) a period where Greenwald controlled the title under the original Worth company name seems interesting. While the OS comes from the same cover month as #11 (and therefore a few months after its production), I've wondered whether #11 changed to Champ Comics (from Champion Comics) and was delayed by a month because Greenwald was already taking it over. Have you seen #11 and does it have anything interesting? For instance, was Worth B. Carnahan still credited as editor in the indicia (and if not, when does that stop? I know he is in #4 but I haven't looked at #5-11).
thanks again,
-henry
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